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HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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Somewhat tangential to what you're doing here, but I was a Technical Lead at Support.com for 5 years. We did general support and malware-specific support but we also had contracts where we would troubleshoot a specific product or brand. We, like you intend to, had a large, distributed workforce.

While the business development team there (along with their head of training, Mary Waltuch) are largely responsible for the constant failure of that company, I think that SPRT's experiences proves unequivocally that this business model does not work at any reasonable scale.

Your clients are strongly incentivized to demand your service at a significantly lower rate come contract renewal regardless of what your cost to deliver is. Your competitors, like Support.com and Sutherland, among others, will happily underbid you. Aggressively. While I worked there, I had my salary and benefits _cut_ at least once a year.

You'll cut costs by moving some operations to places like the Philippines while not learning the lessons of others who have done the same. One bad monsoon season and none of your workforce will show up for weeks/months. Support.com learned this one the hard way, despite my warnings.

Maybe you'll show some backbone in negotiations, not bend over and take shitty contract terms from "huge brands" like our bizdev did at SPRT. This is more critical to your success than you can imagine. We sure did love hiring bizdev people whose experience was at failed companies (RadioShack, Circuit City and a bunch of people from Intuit who got sacked).

Best of luck to you. I really hope that you succeed...there isn't really good service from anyone in this market segment right now; the training is poor and it's a race to the bottom on price. Consumers need this to be good. Don't f' it up.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Liz! What would you say to a company on the fence who considers providing support a core competency within their org?

Hi, I'm Phil, the other founder. I'd say keep it as a core competency! It's important and it's why we're in business. We understand why you'd want to do that and all of the companies we work with feel the same. That said, keep in mind there will always be a lot of repetitive time consuming stuff, and that's where we excel. Everyone likes to think they're a unique and irreplaceable snowflake, and that may be true in t…

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Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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Somewhat tangential to what you're doing here, but I was a Technical Lead at Support.com for 5 years. We did general support and malware-specific support but we also had contracts where we would troubleshoot a specific product or brand. We, like you intend to, had a large, distributed workforce. While the business development team there (along with their head of training, Mary Waltuch) are largely responsible for the…

Thanks for commenting - it’s good to get your take on things. We’d love to chat further if you’d like - ping us at hi@hioperator.com .

A few quick thoughts though. We are committed to keeping support local - in this case in the US. We’re not trying to be the lowest cost option, nor are we trying to handle the long tail of customer support. We focus on 80/20. And there is plenty of 80 to be had, even at scale.

There are a few specifics to how we’re organized and how we incentivize our agents that we’re seeing help align incentives a bit better.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

#14
Reminds me of a recent negative experience with Apple Customer support. I had an issue, and they bounced me around to several different people for pretty much no reason. Then they harassed with me "Senior" Apple advisers after the issue had already been resolved. It's pretty amazing that a company as big as Apple still has no idea how to do customer service. Looking forward to someone teaching them how it's done. Then again I also feel that it might be even more complicated for a third party to support me with that...

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

#15
I like the idea, but you guys really miss the mark on costs. I don't know where you got the idea that any small business or startup would be okay paying this. Definitely out of reach for 99% of the businesses out there.

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  From the website:
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  $999/month 
  Starting at $3.50+/case for most everything

  Starting at $1.25/minute for a voice operator

  8 hours of coverage, 5 days a week

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My small project handles about 30 cases per day, I spend about an hour on the phone with customers, .

Suddenly I'm at $6,399 MINIMUM.

Nice try I guess.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

#16

I like the idea, but you guys really miss the mark on costs. I don't know where you got the idea that any small business or startup would be okay paying this. Definitely out of reach for 99% of the businesses out there. -------------- From the website: -------------- $999/month Starting at $3.50+/case for most everything Starting at $1.25/minute for a voice operator 8 hours of coverage, 5 days a week -------------- M…

That's 76,788 a year. Can you even hire someone to do product support for your startup in SF for that? Salary, Taxes, Insurance, Office space? I have strong doubts.

And that would just give you _one_ person who can only do one call at a time. If you can't justify hiring an employee to do this, you aren't a target customer of this service anyway, I imagine.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

#17

I like the idea, but you guys really miss the mark on costs. I don't know where you got the idea that any small business or startup would be okay paying this. Definitely out of reach for 99% of the businesses out there. -------------- From the website: -------------- $999/month Starting at $3.50+/case for most everything Starting at $1.25/minute for a voice operator 8 hours of coverage, 5 days a week -------------- M…

I'm not sure how you arrived at that figure, but it seems a bit high for the use case you described.

Now might be a good time to clarify our pricing a bit and state that our pricing is not a one size fits all model. We analyze our clients ticket and call histories and find a price that works for both.

The $999 is a minimum spend and from that we deduct cases and voice minutes. The minimum covers training and overhead to ensure we're not losing money for clients that are too small. We've also found that, in our experience, companies who tend to spend less than $999/month are sometimes still at the point where their support tickets are full of a lot of edge cases and are best handled in-house.

We're aimed at small and medium companies, not individuals running small projects (yet). Someday in the future hopefully, but we're not there yet.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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Hi there! This is Liz from HiOperator. We set out earlier this year to build a scalable US-based customer service solution that we would have used as startup founders ourselves. Would love your thoughts! Happy to answer any questions and tell you more.

I would love to hear some more detail about how you tackle onboarding / knowledge transfer. How do you handle a more complicated business that may have a lot of different edge cases? Do you just build up exhaustive documentation?

Also, I know you're just starting, but I got to your site and wanted to read a LOT more about your service than the information that was available on the single page site. I was thinking: Tell me way more about how it all works, but there was no where else to click! :)

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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post #14

Reminds me of a recent negative experience with Apple Customer support. I had an issue, and they bounced me around to several different people for pretty much no reason. Then they harassed with me "Senior" Apple advisers after the issue had already been resolved. It's pretty amazing that a company as big as Apple still has no idea how to do customer service. Looking forward to someone teaching them how it's done. The…

Thanks for the perspective! To be fair, we can't claim to have any experience running operations at the scale of thousands and thousands of agents - we think we know a way to get there someday soon.

As a related tangent, one thing we do for a few companies is essentially serve as air traffic control. Even if we can't solve all of the issues and some issues need escalation, we help make sure that it's only one hop away from the right group.

Re: HiOperator (YC S16) Provides Customer Support as a Service

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post #18
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Hi there! This is Liz from HiOperator. We set out earlier this year to build a scalable US-based customer service solution that we would have used as startup founders ourselves. Would love your thoughts! Happy to answer any questions and tell you more.

I would love to hear some more detail about how you tackle onboarding / knowledge transfer. How do you handle a more complicated business that may have a lot of different edge cases? Do you just build up exhaustive documentation? Also, I know you're just starting, but I got to your site and wanted to read a LOT more about your service than the information that was available on the single page site. I was thinking: Te…

I can speak about onboarding and knowledge transfer from the viewpoint of our clients. Usually they give us access to their past tickets and we have an hour long conversation where we ask a million tailored questions. Then clients put us in a sandbox to play where we can't hurt anyone. To fill knowledge and capability gaps, our ops managers pose questions to in-house teams, usually over Slack, but it can be anything. Once everyone is comfortable, they let us out into the world. :)

On the back end, I wish I could brag a little about this, but it is our "secret sauce" so I'm just going to have to say it's proprietary and I believe the beginning of something great.

To directly answer your first question regarding edge cases, it's simple: we don't do them, opting instead to let your in-house team do the complex edge cases. Over time though, we inevitably end up doing some of them as we find commonalities across clients (shipping exceptions, insurance disputes, etc).

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