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Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by weinzierl »

tome wrote: post #2

I love the C2 wiki and learned a lot from it. This seems a bit incoherent though. What's actually going on? None of it makes any sense.

I don't know what's actually going on, but there was some discussion on HN yesterday about the C2 wiki being down.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12705774

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by akavel »

tome wrote: post #2

I love the C2 wiki and learned a lot from it. This seems a bit incoherent though. What's actually going on? None of it makes any sense.

Why? I don't see any problem, the message seems quite clear; wikis (similar to forums) are hard to maintain (spam, server load & costs); new inventions are hard to promote (federated wiki mentioned in the post); and maintenance work on hobby projects is gruesome and taxing (thus any chance at getting some leeway by any means available is invaluable).

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by labster »

I was afraid that they'd get taken in by this federated wiki nonsense; I fear we might have lost one of the greats to second system syndrome.

Federated wiki is a cool idea and all, but I don't want to have to build my own wiki of everything, or decide what concepts should be included in my own wiki. The whole strength of wiki to me is that it massively multiplayer user curated content, where the whole state is determined by everyone working together. I don't know what happens to that curation if there's no authoritative source -- it seems like federated wiki isn't really wiki at all, and is something else entirely.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by weinzierl »

In short: In the post Ward Cunningham says the C2 wiki will be converted into a federated wiki form. I think the following quote summarizes well why he thinks this is a good idea:

    So why close? It gives me room to work. The continuous 
    scraping bumps up against my web throttling making all 
    other web services useless. Even shell is painfully 
    slow.

    Of course I live in a world of many options. I could be 
    stalled just reviewing choices. Instead I build on 
    what I've learned from federated wiki so as to preserve 
    the original wiki in a form that can be appreciated for 
    what it has been and will ever be. If you want to help. 
    Learn some federated wiki. Then email me.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by ptero »

akavel wrote: post #4
tome wrote: post #2

I love the C2 wiki and learned a lot from it. This seems a bit incoherent though. What's actually going on? None of it makes any sense.

Why? I don't see any problem, the message seems quite clear; wikis (similar to forums) are hard to maintain (spam, server load & costs); new inventions are hard to promote (federated wiki mentioned in the post); and maintenance work on hobby projects is gruesome and taxing (thus any chance at getting some leeway by any means available is invaluable).

Would not it be better, as an interim state, to freeze the current content and provide it as static pages, likely with minimal server load.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by bsilvereagle »

labster wrote: post #5

I was afraid that they'd get taken in by this federated wiki nonsense; I fear we might have lost one of the greats to second system syndrome. Federated wiki is a cool idea and all, but I don't want to have to build my own wiki of everything, or decide what concepts should be included in my own wiki. The whole strength of wiki to me is that it massively multiplayer user curated content, where the whole state is determ…

> I don't want to have to build my own wiki for everything

In the fedwiki model, you would join a neighborhood of people you trust to write good content. fedwiki has a chicken and egg problem right now - there are no good neighborhoods to join.

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Post by nchelluri »

> Smallest Federated Wiki is a software platform developed by Ward Cunningham which adds forking features found in software development tools like GitHub to wikis.[1] The project was launched at IndieWebCamp 2011.[2] The software allows its users to fork wiki pages, maintaining their own copies.

>

> Federation supports what Cunningham has described as "a chorus of voices" where users share content but maintain their individual perspectives.[3] This approach contrasts with the tendency of centralized wikis such as Wikipedia to function as consensus engines.[4]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallest_Federated_Wiki

In short I guess if I disagree with a page instead of editing it and starting an edit-war I can fork it.

Re: C2 wiki closed for remodeling

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Post by vertex-four »

bsilvereagle wrote: post #8
labster wrote: post #5

I was afraid that they'd get taken in by this federated wiki nonsense; I fear we might have lost one of the greats to second system syndrome. Federated wiki is a cool idea and all, but I don't want to have to build my own wiki of everything, or decide what concepts should be included in my own wiki. The whole strength of wiki to me is that it massively multiplayer user curated content, where the whole state is determ…

> I don't want to have to build my own wiki for everything In the fedwiki model, you would join a neighborhood of people you trust to write good content. fedwiki has a chicken and egg problem right now - there are no good neighborhoods to join.

It's also pretty terrible UX-wise. I don't understand how to navigate it.
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