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Re: Defending the One Percent

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A large number (majority?) of people who are proponents for american-style capitalism, advocating for less government intervention, are from big universities around the U.S, and will often earn a relatively high wage. Although it's very hard to quantify, I feel as though these people are very disassociated from the everyday life the claim to be studying. If you live near Harvard earning ~300k a year, how easy is it t…

Wow lots of strawmen here. "A large number (majority?) of people who are proponents for american-style capitalism, advocating for less government intervention, are from big universities around the U.S" Source? So what? "Boiled down - can people who are part of such a skewed system really produce unbiased studies and theories about the system?" Can people who are part of the lower earning rung of society give a unbias…

Creative quoting on your part but let's not pretend he was talking about communism. It stated pretty clearly [countries with] "highly socialistic economic policy (welfare countries)". All the mentioned countries are successfull capitalistic countries with better safeguards and policies.

Re: Defending the One Percent

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The absurd example in the second paragraph put me off, so I didn't really find it in me to read the argument thoroughly. But if the premise is that a single man can "come up with an idea" and magically produce an ipod with comparable personal effort, and no reliance of a third world factory economy -- as an author can come up with a book -- then I don't think the author of the article has the required connection to r…

Did the iPod require a "third world factory economy", or was that merely the best way to make it when it was developed?

Go back to the original Apple II and subsequent products, they were per memory and Wikipedia all made in the US until the late 1990s. The IBM PC was originally manufactured by SCI Systems in Huntsville, Alabama.

Re: Defending the One Percent

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A large number (majority?) of people who are proponents for american-style capitalism, advocating for less government intervention, are from big universities around the U.S, and will often earn a relatively high wage. Although it's very hard to quantify, I feel as though these people are very disassociated from the everyday life the claim to be studying. If you live near Harvard earning ~300k a year, how easy is it t…

Personally I think that the growth of the banking sector is the problem, as it tends to capture more and more of the profits and allocate them to the pay of the bankers. It's also a brain-drain on other industries. Finally, the banks do occasionally lose everything and then we have to bail them out. Remove the "bail them out" part of the process and you'd likely see a fair amount of income equality restored. Banking…

We know when the firewall was turned off:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Legislation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act

Re: Defending the One Percent

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A large number (majority?) of people who are proponents for american-style capitalism, advocating for less government intervention, are from big universities around the U.S, and will often earn a relatively high wage. Although it's very hard to quantify, I feel as though these people are very disassociated from the everyday life the claim to be studying. If you live near Harvard earning ~300k a year, how easy is it t…

Wow lots of strawmen here. "A large number (majority?) of people who are proponents for american-style capitalism, advocating for less government intervention, are from big universities around the U.S" Source? So what? "Boiled down - can people who are part of such a skewed system really produce unbiased studies and theories about the system?" Can people who are part of the lower earning rung of society give a unbias…

> America is not for nothing the land of opportunity

The U.S. has low social mobility compared to other developed countries. What claim does it currently have on being the land of opportunity?

Re: Defending the One Percent

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post #4

This guy's a professor of economics at Harvard?! ...Actually that explains a lot.

Yeah, I was thinking that too... it is really well written, it makes compelling and nuanced arguments and it sets a nice thought framework for the debate. This is really an excellent piece, no wonder he's an econ professor at one of the most prestigious university in the world, that guy is brilliant.

Re: Defending the One Percent

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post #12
post #10

The absurd example in the second paragraph put me off, so I didn't really find it in me to read the argument thoroughly. But if the premise is that a single man can "come up with an idea" and magically produce an ipod with comparable personal effort, and no reliance of a third world factory economy -- as an author can come up with a book -- then I don't think the author of the article has the required connection to r…

Did the iPod require a "third world factory economy", or was that merely the best way to make it when it was developed? Go back to the original Apple II and subsequent products, they were per memory and Wikipedia all made in the US until the late 1990s. The IBM PC was originally manufactured by SCI Systems in Huntsville, Alabama.

Woohoo -- thanks for calling out my previous employer, which also built Macs for a good while (in Colorado).

What a lot of folks don't seem to understand about "third world factory economies" is that the prototyping and initial product runs are still frequently done in the west. Some EMS companies, like Flex, even have hardware incubators in Silicon Valley (google "Lab IX" sometime); all of them offer JDM & ODM services, too.

Re: Defending the One Percent

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I think that the growth of the banking sector is the problem, as it tends to capture more and more of the profits and allocate them to the pay of the bankers. It's also a brain-drain on other industries. Finally, the banks do occasionally lose everything and then we have to bail them out. Remove the "bail them out" part of the process and you'd likely see a fair amount of income equality restored. Banking…

We know when the firewall was turned off: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Legislation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm–Leach–Bliley_Act

I'm not sure that repealing Glass-Steagall was the problem. We did have the savings & loan crisis and that was prior to the repeal.

Personally I think it has more to do with the banks going public and then being on the treadmill of ever increasing profits. The NYT has a piece on the issue from 1999.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03E7DF1639F...

Slate also documents the banks going public, again prior to repealing Glass-Steagall.

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2010/01/the_...

Re: Defending the One Percent

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post #4

This guy's a professor of economics at Harvard?! ...Actually that explains a lot.

Yeah, I was thinking that too... it is really well written, it makes compelling and nuanced arguments and it sets a nice thought framework for the debate. This is really an excellent piece, no wonder he's an econ professor at one of the most prestigious university in the world, that guy is brilliant.

haha I think they were implying the opposite

Re: Defending the One Percent

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Oh.. I thought he was going to go on an argument that we need to implement basic income as a method for improving efficiency when his second paragraph included an author who put herself into the one percent by being creative and making a product while being unemployed and on socialist welfare and that by removing a lot of what is effectively the "chaff" of the capitalist workforce the workforce that wants to be part of the workforce improves overall.

I guess since he also included an businessman known for his abhorrent disdain for socialism that he flippantly crams his vehicles into spots designated for people with disabilities, I should have realized the final outcome would be an argument that extreme wealth creates utilitarianism and is more efficient then trying to broaden wealth.

Reminds me of the decay of the Roman empire in the 400's and how the rich started abstaining from the government and society that tried to represent and assist everyone to create micro-communities in their villas and start up the process of feudalism. What shall we call our new era of a society that is now 90% capital deprived and rising? Feudalism 2.0? Feudl.ism? Feu.dl?

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