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The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #18

Eh, I always want one of these secular communities to take off and flourish but they never seem to. Possibly the principals of "think for yourself", "relative and perspective", "freedom of association" are antithetical to these kind tight knit groups. It's a shame in some ways and definitely more lonely. But, looking at the types of people some more radical religions attract, possibly lonely is the better option. In…

Communities are defined by what they can't do as much as by what they want to do. You can't make sacrifice for something bigger than yourself if the group doesn't demand anything at all. That is, what I believe, the primary problem with Catholicism in the west today - they don't enforce anything.

Military has a code. Street gangs have codes. There is something about a shared and enforced set of rules, however inflexible, that binds people together.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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The world has a secular community revolution, and HN is a exemplar! HN has shared values, ideology, taboos, status, law-givers and exiles. Don't know if it's an improvement over what came before, but IMHO communities like HN are the secular community revolution.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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I liked the article, but this is like the cultural equivalent of Not Invented Here. Does it really matter that organized Christianity believes that a guy woke up from the dead? If you want a sense of community and the rituals that go along with it, then you could absolutely join a church of your choosing and just not believe in zombie messiahs. The wife and I have been talking about this at great length as of late. W…

"just not believe"

One popular meme you'll see is the pre-christian greco-romans didn't saw religion and belief as somewhat orthogonal. So you went to the ritual/party at the temple to hang out, show off your (purchased) social class within the temple, and do the ritual, show off to everyone else that you did the ritual, show off how well you memorized the allegorical tales, etc. Personal belief was not a terribly high priority. How much of this is "real" analysis vs Victorian era make believe is not entirely clear.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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I liked the article, but this is like the cultural equivalent of Not Invented Here. Does it really matter that organized Christianity believes that a guy woke up from the dead? If you want a sense of community and the rituals that go along with it, then you could absolutely join a church of your choosing and just not believe in zombie messiahs. The wife and I have been talking about this at great length as of late. W…

>> you could absolutely join a church of your choosing and just not believe in zombie messiahs.

The other people in your church who do believe in zombie messiahs might all get a bit hacked off when they find out though.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Houston Oasis is a secular community in Houston that I attend. It seems to be addressing all the points that the author of this article brought up, with perhaps exception to "Ritualize." It has a diverse group of people that attend and seems to gradually be gaining attendance. It is extremely refreshing to be with such a large group of people that have a human and reason based focus. I hope more people will get the opportunity to be a part of something like this.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The four-way test doesn't seem archaic at all. Why do you say that?

> Will it be BENEFICIAL to all concerned? I'd like to promote activities that are detrimental to some institutions and beneficial to others because I believe there are institutions that should be dismantled.

definitely nitpicking, but if those institutions should actually be dismantled, it might be beneficial to those wrapped up in the institution in the long run (while detrimental to the institution itself)

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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Community living is difficult. If one looks at historical and contemporary mendicant communities in the Catholic West (e.g. Franciscans, Dominicans, Missionaries of the Poor, etc.), it is not uncommon for their members to both praise community life as a great blessing while simultaneously explaining it and experiencing it as a hard and unyielding cross in their daily lives (cf. Luke 9:23).

However, from a Catholic religious perspective, crosses are all the more bearable as one learns to experience them as a means of personal sanctification (closer personal union with Christ crucified) and an opportunity to practice and grow in virtue – "dying to self" more and more so that joyful generosity truly becomes the rule of life. In this way, community-life-as-a-cross becomes a means for both individual and community to give glory to God and work toward the salvation of souls.

Can secular motives truly substitute for that transcendent motive and outlook? I certainly think it's an interesting question.

Re: The World Needs a Secular Community Revolution

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post #25

The US used to have that. You can still see the remnants if you look. Rotary International, Kiwanis International, the Independent Order of Foresters, the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Independent Order of Odd Fellows, the National Grange of the Order of Patrons of Husbandry - all those secular fraternal organizations still exist. The core of these organizations was small business owners, a group which once ran their…

The four-way test doesn't seem archaic at all. Why do you say that?

Because your average business today doesn't seem to give a shit about truth (see: almost everyone's marketing), fairness (especially to employees), goodwill (externality? what's an externality?) and benefiting all concerned (a third of the companies out there would probably not exist if their founders gave a rat's ass about their effect on society).

Call me cynical, but I get the feeling that morality and honor got sacrificed for competitiveness. Internet businesses are a special case here, they can afford to be fair to the employees and to care in a way, and yet there are still lots of them that are harmful to the society.

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