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Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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There are probably 10 countries whose average citizens enjoy a standard of living higher than your average American.

The tricky thing about averages is that a few high numbers can slew the average...

You don't think that's true of the US with its few unicorns?

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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France and Germany have a higher standard of living than the U.S. In fact except Greece, Italy and Spain all European countries have a higher standard of living than the U.S.. Face it you are the third world compared to Europe. Ooooh, those poor little jingoistic feewings are butthurt... :D

No they don't. They have higher standards for the lower classes. America has a higher standard of living but is far more sink or swim.

The term "standard of living" is a pretty fuzzy one. The only way it makes sense is to talk about the minimum standard of living, e.g. say what the standard is for the bottom 20% of income. In this case it's probably not a good indicator for the US. The US is so diverse that "average" standard of living doesn't really mean anything. For a single (rich) state it might, as it does for a small nordic state.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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No, actually it's the only place that's somewhat democratic.

Make an image search for "swiss political billboards"

And what do you expect I should learn from this?

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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>There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than alive in Switzerland. Thats a little bit disingenuous comparing absolute numbers of countries with very different sizes. I do agree that they're outliers though - seems very difficult to duplicate.

As disingenuous as comparing a small country to the US as a whole.

>As disingenuous as comparing a small country to the US as a whole.

Why? Countries seem to scale pretty well. A social structure that works well in one city can work well in 200 cities.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #46

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>There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than alive in Switzerland. Thats a little bit disingenuous comparing absolute numbers of countries with very different sizes. I do agree that they're outliers though - seems very difficult to duplicate.

As disingenuous as comparing a small country to the US as a whole.

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Also looking at PPP per capita (59K vs 53K), it's not that much higher. Norway, I'm not sure should count given their large oil reserves which one cannot really replicate.

The oil is a curse rather than a boon.

How? Oil is largely the reason Norway is better off than Denmark and Sweden. Norway seems to manage it's oil very well with an eye towards the long term.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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"Currently an estimated 28 percent of all funds held outside the country of origin (sometimes called "offshore" funds) are kept in Switzerland." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Switzerland#Banking It's cute that she even provides numbers and leaves this out. This is the only number you need to know. Everything else is the direct result of this. You know who else does awesome? A closed community of multi-mill…

> Everything else is the direct result of this.

Pray tell the details.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #41

"Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than al…

Reading this as a European, it's fun and telling that you focused on salary differences, whereas what mattered to me were the other quality-of-life elements (I assume you're living in the US). To sum up, what matters to me, in what she described, were the consequences of the belief that one shouldn't be ashamed of having a life outside of work, and needing some time and peace of mind to actually enjoy it. More money…

Did parent edit? Because all I see is work-life balance.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #41

"Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than al…

Basically every country in Europe will give you longer vacations, standard health care, shorter working hours, ...

In some countries you might even get worker's rights like workers councils, unions on the board, ... If you work for example for Volkswagen, every factory in the world will have strong unions, only the US factory won't.

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