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Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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"Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than al…

France and Germany have a higher standard of living than the U.S. In fact except Greece, Italy and Spain all European countries have a higher standard of living than the U.S.. Face it you are the third world compared to Europe. Ooooh, those poor little jingoistic feewings are butthurt... :D

No they don't. They have higher standards for the lower classes. America has a higher standard of living but is far more sink or swim.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #36

Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

I spent 25-50% of my time working in Switzerland - rest of the time in the UK. There is literally no downside of Switzerland - it is a truly magical place. A commenter mentioned too much democracy, and it's true that it's one of the most democratic places on the planet - so the harsh side of people come out - but it's fair. Also the languages - there's 3 or 4 official languages, and the German is a special dialect, b…

No, actually it's the only place that's somewhat democratic.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #44

Although Switzerland and America may have very different work cultures and social support policies, that's not the most obvious difference. Consider our per-capita GDPs (2013, nominal dollars)[1]: Switzerland 84,748 United States 53,042 So even if the US passed new employment laws and embraced work-life balance, we would still have only 63% of Switzerland's money to spend on each person. I'm not saying that the US co…

The picture looks very different if you use purchasing power parity; per Wikipedia, which cites roughly the same nominal per-capita GDPs, in PPP dollars: Switzerland 58,731 United States 54,596 If you then factor in the demographics....

Just to make comparison even more complicated, I assume in Switzerland you don't need to pay as much for health insurance, and put as much money aside for retirement, and people in US do. And I know college fees in Switzerland are around 1000 to 3000 per year, not 10 000 to 40 000 like in US. So if you have kids, you don't need to save for their college. (...But then you can only send them to European universities. If you want to send them to a US university, you still need to save money for that.)

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

It is very expensive

Visiting a country can be expensive. Then you make money in country A, which you spend in country B with higher prices.

If you live in a country with high salaries and high prices, it just means there are nominally high prices, not necessarily "expensive".

Some parts and some markets of Switzerland are "expensive" for example Zürich housing. The same is true for SF.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

I hardly "lived" there, but I found the culture to be lacking a sense of silliness and in general less personable. It's like what they say about German comedy, it's no laughing matter. I still really like Switzerland.

In my experience, Germans (Bavarians, anyway) see the Swiss very much as Americans see Germans ;)

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

France and Germany have a higher standard of living than the U.S. In fact except Greece, Italy and Spain all European countries have a higher standard of living than the U.S.. Face it you are the third world compared to Europe. Ooooh, those poor little jingoistic feewings are butthurt... :D

As someone who lived in Portugal...nope

Sorry, I forgot Portugal.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #27

I think article skips anything negative. For start "lunch hour" is mandatory and in reality it means you spend extra hour at work. I would rather spend a hour with my kid than eating with my boss. Second the taxation leaves various compulsory "contributions": social, pension, wealth, tv, petrol etc. It is not 5% but more likely 50% of average salary. And third, I have totally different experience with american compan…

There's one thing I'm interested in since this is on HN... How easy is it to start a venture over there? Also, my old roommate from college works at CERN now as a researcher. He tells me that he can't afford to go out and eat since it's so expensive. Is this true?

There are some smart contracts / blockchain tpye startups in Zug. Monetas for example. You could reach out to them.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it is more expensive in every way than San Francisco. Given the re-float of the Franc, it's even worse now. (I live in SF but one of the rsync.net locations is in Zurich and I travel there frequently)

Given the re-float, it's actually much better now (for residents) - prices of imported goods have fallen.

Yes, but my datacenter rates in Zurich rose quite a bit :)

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #41

"Driving Bentleys ruined me for BMWs and their poor make quality" Switzerland is one of... three maybe (Luxemburg, Norway) countries with higher standard of living than the US. Not even Switzerland's neighbours (Italy, France, Germany) with people coming from the same populations can reproduce it. All these great states are tiny (8M people) outliers. There are more people enjoying work-life balance in America than al…

Also looking at PPP per capita (59K vs 53K), it's not that much higher. Norway, I'm not sure should count given their large oil reserves which one cannot really replicate.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #44

Although Switzerland and America may have very different work cultures and social support policies, that's not the most obvious difference. Consider our per-capita GDPs (2013, nominal dollars)[1]: Switzerland 84,748 United States 53,042 So even if the US passed new employment laws and embraced work-life balance, we would still have only 63% of Switzerland's money to spend on each person. I'm not saying that the US co…

The picture looks very different if you use purchasing power parity; per Wikipedia, which cites roughly the same nominal per-capita GDPs, in PPP dollars: Switzerland 58,731 United States 54,596 If you then factor in the demographics....

Purchasing power matters for stuff within a country, but swiss people still have more money that they can spend on imports.
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