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Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

Well, if you don't like mountains I don't recommend it

The language is a challenge as well, though most people speak English

Smaller houses (and places in general)

A very demanding society, basically https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/11pcs1/while_i_l...

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Although Switzerland and America may have very different work cultures and social support policies, that's not the most obvious difference. Consider our per-capita GDPs (2013, nominal dollars)[1]: Switzerland 84,748 United States 53,042 So even if the US passed new employment laws and embraced work-life balance, we would still have only 63% of Switzerland's money to spend on each person. I'm not saying that the US co…

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Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

If you are american or from a western country you would be probably fine, but if not, there are some caveats. Swiss are not bound by the same EU laws about on agism/sexism/racism. They are surprised when you don't include your photo on the CV. They really can get away with a lot of crap. I have heard a lot of anecdotes about increasing xenophobia as well. Popular political parties with anti immigration agendas can pass surprising laws because young people do not vote.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

It is very expensive

In the richest countries in Europe, Switzerland and Norway, also supermarkets and restaurants are priced to match the general income level of the population.

In the US it is easier to have a six figures salary, but still drive over to a cheaper part of town to buy lunch for under $8, or buy cheap stuff from Walmart, ShopRite etc.

Whereas if you live in Norway, you have to drive to Sweden in order to buy cheaper groceries.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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From now on, we should call it "The Swiss Dream" and let go of any preconceptions that America is the land of opportunity and the proof is in the pudding by the much higher average annual income earned by the Swiss over their US peers despite the longer hours they put in and the jobs that enslaved them for eternity.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

I spent 25-50% of my time working in Switzerland - rest of the time in the UK. There is literally no downside of Switzerland - it is a truly magical place. A commenter mentioned too much democracy, and it's true that it's one of the most democratic places on the planet - so the harsh side of people come out - but it's fair. Also the languages - there's 3 or 4 official languages, and the German is a special dialect, but in business it's all English so it's not an issue. The prettiness is the worst part in many ways - you either feel like you're dreaming (Lucerne) or you get feelings of disgust when you see rubbish on the ground (Zurich). The actual biggest downside is as mentioned in the article - it spoils you for other countries.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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Can someone here elucidate the downsides to living in Switzerland, over the US, particularly for those in the HN crowd?

It's too expensive.

In regards of programming jobs, sometimes it's like living 40 years ago.

Racism is annoying, but normal here. And you must be proud of being Swiss.

Switzerland is tiny. Finding (and keeping) friends here can be hard, because if you even dare to fart, the whole village knows about it within seconds.

And you shouldn't use your brain too much, so you can keep up with the others. But I'm pretty sure that doesn't only apply to Switzerland, so you may safely ignore this one.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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In Europe, many, many people were essentially slaves. They were property of a small class of landed gentry who ruled over them with, at best, patriarchal indifference and at worst homicidal, spiteful authoritarianism. They were peasants. Then, over the course of about 200 years, some of these gentry got their heads chopped off or were stripped of their papal lands or were rounded up and put in front of a firing squad…

what? America had an actual slave class. Also indentured servants.

Nobody would dispute or ignore that - of course that occurred to me when writing the original comment.

I stand by my analysis since American slaves were (at the time) a small minority of the country that existed in a fraction of the geography and lasted for less than 90 years after 1776.

No portion of americans were "systematically enslaved and disenfranchised for ... 2000 years" and no majority (or even large plurality) of americans were ever enslaved at all.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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I think article skips anything negative. For start "lunch hour" is mandatory and in reality it means you spend extra hour at work. I would rather spend a hour with my kid than eating with my boss. Second the taxation leaves various compulsory "contributions": social, pension, wealth, tv, petrol etc. It is not 5% but more likely 50% of average salary. And third, I have totally different experience with american compan…

Yea, and you're also a software engineer judging by your profile. Lets not pretend what we experience is the same as the average American experience.

Re: Living in Switzerland ruined me for America and its lousy work culture

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post #27

I think article skips anything negative. For start "lunch hour" is mandatory and in reality it means you spend extra hour at work. I would rather spend a hour with my kid than eating with my boss. Second the taxation leaves various compulsory "contributions": social, pension, wealth, tv, petrol etc. It is not 5% but more likely 50% of average salary. And third, I have totally different experience with american compan…

There's one thing I'm interested in since this is on HN... How easy is it to start a venture over there?

Also, my old roommate from college works at CERN now as a researcher. He tells me that he can't afford to go out and eat since it's so expensive. Is this true?

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