High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed
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High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed
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#2Well one had to say the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy even before the article started digging out the evidence that reseaecher somehow missed.
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#3I read about the "NINA" paper when it came out. This summary of the new historical research amply shows that the original thesis indeed needs "substantial modification".
While it says nothing of the historical accuracy, the exchange between the two historians, quoted in the text, makes me lean much more in favor of the researcher behind the new work.
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#4It's called researchers bias where someone so fervently believes something is true that it influences their research.
NINA is a good example of an uncomfortable truth.
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#5> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well.
He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.
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#6> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well. He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.
Yeah, yikes. Jensen is really piling it higher and deeper.
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#7Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs. He said that believing that No Irish Need Apply Signs existed was the Irish equivalent of believing in leprechauns. Here is what Jensen wrote more than a decade ago:
If this is a remotely accurate characterization, it baffles me that Jensen's work would have found a home in a journal or that he would have felt comfortable expressing those views in public. How profoundly emotional and unscientific (not to mention vile and insulting)
Such a claim is extremely complicated (defying occam's razor) and implies some sort of conspiracy that is at the very least questionable without sound proof. The idea that such claims would have not been aggressively debunked in the past is pretty questionable, as well. The seemingly trivial task of finding evidence to support the existence of these ads makes me wonder if Jensen did any research at all. Was he just grinding his racist axe, and did the scientific community give him a pass on it because they didn't care?
Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed
#8> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well. He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.
Why am I not surprised?
I wouldn't put it past the fact that the high schooler probably knows how to google better than the "phd"
"Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs"
Oh wow, lovely lad
Another edit: "Wanted - A Middle Aged protestant woman... no Irish need apply" I think it would be hard to find an Irish Protestant at that time, no?
Re: High School Student Proves “No Irish Need Apply” Signs Existed
#9I cannot recall such an elegant and well researched response to such a load of whale shit.
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#10It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish.
Edit: "that" -> "than".