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Django Girls one year later

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Re: Django Girls one year later

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Lawtonfogle wrote: post #24
belorn wrote: post #9

In every work environment which has an clear gender imbalance we see the same stories of the minority group being pushed out by the majority group. The minority group feel pressured to be more majority-like to fit in, receive comments like "you are good for a minority person", and feel a social expectancy to be more like the majority group. Those who don't behave correctly report of being silenced and treated in a ve…

There is also the problem that we are talking about certain subsets of badgers and squirrels. Consider that many of the badgers that originally grew the forest that they now enjoy only did so because they were shunned not just by the squirrels, but by many other badgers. Look closely and you'll notice that some of these badgers, or those of the same subgroup, are resistant to both squirrels and other badgers coming i…

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Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by Kalium »

Lawtonfogle wrote: post #24
belorn wrote: post #9

In every work environment which has an clear gender imbalance we see the same stories of the minority group being pushed out by the majority group. The minority group feel pressured to be more majority-like to fit in, receive comments like "you are good for a minority person", and feel a social expectancy to be more like the majority group. Those who don't behave correctly report of being silenced and treated in a ve…

There is also the problem that we are talking about certain subsets of badgers and squirrels. Consider that many of the badgers that originally grew the forest that they now enjoy only did so because they were shunned not just by the squirrels, but by many other badgers. Look closely and you'll notice that some of these badgers, or those of the same subgroup, are resistant to both squirrels and other badgers coming i…

This sounds very much like the central thesis of "When Nerds Collide". Is that intentional?

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by tomp »

belorn wrote: post #9

In every work environment which has an clear gender imbalance we see the same stories of the minority group being pushed out by the majority group. The minority group feel pressured to be more majority-like to fit in, receive comments like "you are good for a minority person", and feel a social expectancy to be more like the majority group. Those who don't behave correctly report of being silenced and treated in a ve…

I find it baffling everytime someone refers to men and women as separate groups. What's the point of equality then if we're still so different?

(In my experience, if you want to talk about "groups" in programming companies, it's mostly geeks vs. non-geeks, with men and women in both groups.)

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by ZenoArrow »

Isamu wrote: post #26
joe_the_user wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're doing those things because they're fun things to do There are games and activities that don't gender stamped all over them, yes. But cupcakes and yoga are pretty close to the activities which have some gender-attachments.

You shall not pry cupcakes from my masculine paws. Male hackers rise up against those who would steal thy cupcake-loving birthright!

I hear you brother!

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by GFischer »

boxy310 wrote: post #7

Going through their website, it seems like one of the best Django tutorials I've seen, irrespective of gender.

I'm a novice at both Django and Python, and their tutorial was the best one I found (not knowing their history or gender or anything).

I didn't follow it through though :P I mean to learn it someday but other stuff keeps getting higher priority.

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by untog »

tomp wrote: post #33
belorn wrote: post #9

In every work environment which has an clear gender imbalance we see the same stories of the minority group being pushed out by the majority group. The minority group feel pressured to be more majority-like to fit in, receive comments like "you are good for a minority person", and feel a social expectancy to be more like the majority group. Those who don't behave correctly report of being silenced and treated in a ve…

I find it baffling everytime someone refers to men and women as separate groups. What's the point of equality then if we're still so different? (In my experience, if you want to talk about "groups" in programming companies, it's mostly geeks vs. non-geeks, with men and women in both groups.)

What's the point of equality then if we're still so different?

To make two separate groups equal? I don't understand what is complex about that. They are separate groups according to how they are often treated in the workplace.

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by robertfw »

tomp wrote: post #33
belorn wrote: post #9

In every work environment which has an clear gender imbalance we see the same stories of the minority group being pushed out by the majority group. The minority group feel pressured to be more majority-like to fit in, receive comments like "you are good for a minority person", and feel a social expectancy to be more like the majority group. Those who don't behave correctly report of being silenced and treated in a ve…

I find it baffling everytime someone refers to men and women as separate groups. What's the point of equality then if we're still so different? (In my experience, if you want to talk about "groups" in programming companies, it's mostly geeks vs. non-geeks, with men and women in both groups.)

It's easy to say that we're all one group if you're in the dominant group...

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by ender89 »

joe_the_user wrote: post #3

The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. I suppose that could attract a certain audience but I think a number of girls could feel a bit uncomfortable being pigeon-holed as liking all things "girly". When I was in High School I would have been aghast if someone held a "guy's programming workshop" with wei…

Most programming workshops would be improved with some flowers (whats this "nature" thing again? sounds scary), cupcake tastings, and yoga.

Re: Django Girls one year later

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Post by thomasruns »

joe_the_user wrote: post #3

The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. I suppose that could attract a certain audience but I think a number of girls could feel a bit uncomfortable being pigeon-holed as liking all things "girly". When I was in High School I would have been aghast if someone held a "guy's programming workshop" with wei…

If cupcake tasting is girly, then call me girly. And pass me a cupcake please.
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