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A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

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Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "higher earners" would receive an even larger increase in that case.

Not if you take into account taxes.

Taxes won't matter.

The higher earners receive a larger increase than they would have under a different regime (where everyone receives a constant $ increase [normalized for the "lowest earner"]).

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#72
Do you know what happens when Paul McCartney gives to charity and charity leaks his name? He cancels the donation. That's how you do good deeds when you genuinely want to help people and not pull a little PR on a side.

If this guy wanted to help his under-40K employees, there were multiple ways to do it (a) quietly (b) without pissing off other people who worked for him. I don't know if it's a poorly throught through PR stunt or if it's just a vanity / mid-life crisis thing, but it sure wasn't executed smartly.

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post #46

Talking about "cost of living" in a place like Seattle, as if it were an ordinary economic issue, masks the real problem, which is that liberal US cities have made it very difficult to construct new housing. If a million families want to live in a city, and the city only allows half a million houses to be built, then a lot of people are going to be forced out. It's not a question of economics, it's a simple question…

Coastal cities aren't expensive because of bad housing policy (though they certainly have that). They're expensive because lots of highly economically productive people and companies are located in them.

I disagree. They're expensive because there's not enough high rises that would provide tons more housing space.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#75

Crab Mentality[0]: Not just for people earning slightly-above minimum wage anymore. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

Anthropomorphize much? Are the crabs aware of their situation? Are they actually consciously preventing the other crabs from escaping? Or are they just trying to grab on to anything they can get get out of the crab-pile? Seems like a deeply flawed metaphor that will likely lead you astray.

The crab's "intentions" are immaterial!

Like, if a human meerely intends "to grab on anything they can to get out of the [human]-pile", & they're quite rude/destructive while doing so, they're still rude/destructive regardless of how sympathetic we may judge their intentions to be.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#76
post #43

Talking about "cost of living" in a place like Seattle, as if it were an ordinary economic issue, masks the real problem, which is that liberal US cities have made it very difficult to construct new housing. If a million families want to live in a city, and the city only allows half a million houses to be built, then a lot of people are going to be forced out. It's not a question of economics, it's a simple question…

There's no need to toss "liberal" in there. Dense cities tend to have rent-control, and Dense cities tend to have people with policies generally referred to as "liberal" (to the extent that "liberal" means anything. But NIMBYism and status-quoism is not just a liberal issue, and "not changing the neighborhood" is right in line with the definition of "conservative", which means a preference for how things already are…

Specifically, in the coastal cities where this is an issue, usually both sides of the development/anti-development political spectrum identify as liberal. It's very orthogonal to the issues involved in state or national politics.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#77
post #43

Talking about "cost of living" in a place like Seattle, as if it were an ordinary economic issue, masks the real problem, which is that liberal US cities have made it very difficult to construct new housing. If a million families want to live in a city, and the city only allows half a million houses to be built, then a lot of people are going to be forced out. It's not a question of economics, it's a simple question…

There's no need to toss "liberal" in there. Dense cities tend to have rent-control, and Dense cities tend to have people with policies generally referred to as "liberal" (to the extent that "liberal" means anything. But NIMBYism and status-quoism is not just a liberal issue, and "not changing the neighborhood" is right in line with the definition of "conservative", which means a preference for how things already are…

So you're saying no need to toss "liberal" in there because it's so obvious.

By the way, conservatives would not object to developing a neighborhood if that development meant more economic opportunities and more jobs.

If you want to split hairs over a dictionary definition, conservatives would prefer to keep things how they are and continue economic growth through expanding the private sector rather than expanding government to direct businesses on how to operate.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

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post #61
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no need to toss "liberal" in there. Dense cities tend to have rent-control, and Dense cities tend to have people with policies generally referred to as "liberal" (to the extent that "liberal" means anything. But NIMBYism and status-quoism is not just a liberal issue, and "not changing the neighborhood" is right in line with the definition of "conservative", which means a preference for how things already are…

Dictionary definitions of words are usually not very close to the use of these words in political contexts. Regardless of dictionary definitions, if we agree that building restrictions are a bad policy, it is a valid and IMO interesting empirical question whether most people supporting it self-identify as liberal, conservative or something else. (I honestly don't think I could guess the answer.)

My guess is that stated support for the prototypical bad housing policies we love to hate would be pretty constant throughout the political spectrum (though that's just a guess). The issue is that that in BFN no one cares about rent control or constructing new buildings because housing is so cheap and space is so plentiful; only in places where housing is expensive and space is scarce do those issues get any political salience. And since those tend to be more liberal areas, we ascribe "liberal" to those policies as a descriptor.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#79
Giving the same raises as secretly as possible would avoid a whole lot of trouble. If it was considered important to announce it, it would work much better if done after a couple of years when at least you could claim that it proved itself and customers wouldnt have to worry about its impact on pricing.

Re: A Company Copes With Backlash Against the Raise That Roared

#80
Giving the same raises as secretly as possible would avoid a whole lot of trouble. If it was considered important to announce it, it would work much better if done after a couple of years when at least you could claim that it proved itself and customers wouldnt have to worry about its impact on pricing.
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