What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea • Hacker News Board

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by megalodon » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

ForHackernews wrote: post #65

forgetsusername wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not everything is an American conspiracy of some kind. Sure. Unlike the Russians, or the communists, or the terrorists, this time there's a true global threat. > What if China wants a piece of the Philippines or Vietnam? Exactly: what if? Are we going to prepare for every possible scenario? There are a lot of them.

> Unlike the Russians, or the communists, or the terrorists, this time there's a true global threat. Maybe you should talk to some older Polish, Czech or East-German people and tell them the USSR wasn't a real threat...

Maybe you should talk to some middle-eastern people and tell them the U.S. isn't a real threat?

My point being that this never-ending blame game won't solve anything.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by Xixi » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:47 PM UTC

honest_joe wrote: post #69

Xixi wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure why you are bringing Japan into this: Japan doesn't have any claim on the Spartly islands, and it would be completely ridiculous for them to make such a claim. If Japan gets involved it will be through an alliance with one (or several) of the countries with an actual stake in this, like the Philippines. I know anti-Japanese propaganda is strong in China, but there is no need to invent conflicts that do n…

Because Japan has a dispute with China on other islands. I never said they would try to claim the spartlys. Heavy Japan alliance with Phillippines is unlikely (history, empire of japan, blah blah). It's not about anti-japanese sentiment here but more like japanese fear of revenge from chinese and maybe the right time to make a point. The more passive-aggressive China is the more likely it's that Korea and Japan will…

I quote you: "I predict Japan will try to push forward and claim the disputed islands with the support of uncle Sam."

Which islands were you thinking about? Japan has three notable territorial conflicts: the Kuril islands with Russia (controlled by Russia), the Senkaku islands with China (controlled by Japan) and the Takeshima islands (controlled by Korea).

Of these three conflicts the ones with Korea and Russia are largely under the radar: most Japanese people I know aren't even aware of them. Though I think the reverse is not true in Korea... And Japan cannot "push forward and claim" the Senkaku: they are already controlling them.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by ihsw » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:51 PM UTC

smcl wrote: post #53

timiblossom wrote: post #33

The building to convert reef to island is one of the first steps to claim the entire Southeast-Asia sea by China. It will then have the self-declared ownership right to block all sea/air traffics through this region and bully other neighboring countries. Besides having a huge oil/gas reserve and fishes, in term of economic impact, this sea is as important as or more than Panama Canal or Suez Canal. A country with the…

My word the southern reaches of the Chinese claim are extremely grabby! Is this just similar to haggling in a bazaar for an item listed at $30, which you personally value at $20 so you open with a lowballed offer of $10?

You're implying ASEAN members all act in unison -- they do not. They fight amongst each-other almost as much as they do with China.

And while they fight amongst each-other, China voices support for one while undermining that support in another fashion. Pitting them against each-other is common.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by xkiwi » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:52 PM UTC

I am surprised most of us only believe/get news from CNN & MSNBCish. Vietnam is the one who building in the South China Sea. Vietnam is building two islands: West London Reef and Sand Cay, at the year of 2010.

Vietnam build islands, CNN FOX cricket, cricket. China build islands, it is against international law.

- http://amti.csis.org/west-reef-tracker/

- http://www.newseveryday.com/articles/16087/20150508/vietnam-...

- http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/08/us-southchinasea-v...

China, human right violations. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2014/country-chapters/china... VS. Former University of Cincinnati police officer pleads not guilty - http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/07/30...

And Stop and frisk.

- http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data

I am not sure who is violating human right now.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by yc1010 » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:53 PM UTC

timiblossom wrote: post #33

The building to convert reef to island is one of the first steps to claim the entire Southeast-Asia sea by China. It will then have the self-declared ownership right to block all sea/air traffics through this region and bully other neighboring countries. Besides having a huge oil/gas reserve and fishes, in term of economic impact, this sea is as important as or more than Panama Canal or Suez Canal. A country with the…

If China block ships from the area it wont be too hard to block their ships from Panama and Suez canals and deny access to Americas

Watch their economy crumble if they are prevented from selling this cheap knacks to the rest of the world.

It be a stupid move and the Chinese are far from stupid unlike the the Russians who are doing their best to tick every checkbox on a rogue criminal state chalkboard

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by dump100 » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:54 PM UTC

contingencies wrote: post #5

Ironically, the NYT is banned by the great firewall here in China. On nomenclature, Indochina Sea would perhaps be a reasonable candidate for a more honest toponym, being as it is both suggestive of the general area and adequately distanced from any specific modern political entities.

honestly, how does indo come into picture?

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by fatjokes » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:55 PM UTC

damon_c wrote: post #57

If national control of contested territory was a board game and China pulled this move at my house, I would not invite them over again.

You would if you also ran a business where they were your biggest customer.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by dump100 » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:55 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #80

aet wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We (USA) have a gigantic navy base replete with nuclear weapons 1000mi from China mainland. Where is the closest Chinese nuke base to the US?

China is free to try to negotiate the establishment of navy bases anywhere in the world they see fit. And so is the US. The US has vastly more allies globally than China does, and that's the difference. Few countries trust China enough to establish long-term military arrangements with them. Whereas the US has been part of NATO for decades, and has been openly protecting Europe for decades - and the Europeans welcome…

the trust has more to with NATO vs Warsaw, then the benevolence of usa.

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by fatjokes » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:56 PM UTC

woodchuck64 wrote: post #38

kspaans wrote: post #3

Given the various names for that stretch of water, I'm surprised the NYT doesn't spin the article by calling it e.g. the West Philippine Sea. Maybe because South China Sea is more recognizable in a headline?

Petition to change name of South China Sea to Southeast Asia Sea: https://www.change.org/p/change-the-name-south-china-sea-to-... 420,000+ signatures so far...

Serious question: has change.org accomplished anything ever?

Re: What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea

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Post by cygwin98 » Fri, Jul 31, 2015, 4:57 PM UTC

adventured wrote: post #79

zaczac wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if China ran their war ships into Mexico gulf just like U.S did in Southern China Sea?We shall think it is quiet fair because in the "public" ocean?

That's exactly what would happen: the US would not freak out about it. Russia was just busy flying bombers 40 miles off the coast of California last week. Last time I checked, we haven't declared war on Russia for it. They regularly do the same thing with their navy in various ways, whether off the Atlantic or Pacific coast, or near Cuba / Florida waters.

Cuban missile crisis in 1962?