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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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> Philosophical question: is it really your life, if your software may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if it hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you? No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers, and society at large may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if they hadn't been making the suggestions to influence…

"No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers.." There is a difference between those and MS.

Pedantry about "MS" being different than the "software" aside - Microsoft consists of a specific sub-sampling of those people.

So I challenge you: How? In what way? Does it meaningfully change the calculus of your total life ownership? Why?

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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If you don't have any Windows-only applications keeping your younger-than-double-digit children on Windows, well then now is your chance to put them on anything-other-than-Windows. My own children are still using computers with Windows 7. They play Spore (Windows only), Sims 3 (Windows only) Minecraft (Java, so playable anywhere), Osu! (no idea, really), and a couple of other games. I have no intention of upgrading W…

My son, who mostly plays Minecraft, does not understand why many of his friends use Apple PCs. The "render distance" and framerate in Minecraft on our home PC (running Windows 8.1) is twice that of his friends, and our PC cost half what a similar Apple costs. As a parent, I'm also not sure if an equivalent of Family Safety exists on other platforms. Windows sends me weekly overviews of our kids PC use and blocks inap…

This performance disparity between OS X and Windows for gaming may finally be diminished now that Apple’s bringing Metal from iOS to OS X (far faster than using OpenGL):

http://www.imore.com/metal-os-x-so-huge-i-no-longer-need-mac...

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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If you don't have any Windows-only applications keeping your younger-than-double-digit children on Windows, well then now is your chance to put them on anything-other-than-Windows. My own children are still using computers with Windows 7. They play Spore (Windows only), Sims 3 (Windows only) Minecraft (Java, so playable anywhere), Osu! (no idea, really), and a couple of other games. I have no intention of upgrading W…

My son, who mostly plays Minecraft, does not understand why many of his friends use Apple PCs. The "render distance" and framerate in Minecraft on our home PC (running Windows 8.1) is twice that of his friends, and our PC cost half what a similar Apple costs. As a parent, I'm also not sure if an equivalent of Family Safety exists on other platforms. Windows sends me weekly overviews of our kids PC use and blocks inap…

Your only two choices are not an overpriced Mac and a cheap PC. You can build/buy a reasonably priced PC and install a GNU/Linux distribution on it.

As a Java application, Minecraft runs perfectly fine on any operating system.

As for your parental controls, if you wish to apply them you can do the exact same thing on any GNU/Linux platform.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

#544

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> Philosophical question: is it really your life, if your software may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if it hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you? No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers, and society at large may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if they hadn't been making the suggestions to influence…

>No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers, and society at large may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if they hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you. In spite the fact that in the case of friends, family, coworkers I can be the one persuading them in a different direction and I also know a bit about them (you cannot suggest that in the case of person…

> In spite the fact that in the case of friends, family, coworkers I can be the one persuading them in a different direction and I also know a bit about them (you cannot suggest that in the case of person-company relationship both are as strong in influencing each other, maybe in large numbers of people protesting and that's a huge maybe)

Companies, in many ways, strike me as amazingly straightforward to manipulate. So easily swayed by the almighty dollar that such trite as "the customer is always right" gets dolled out as actual management policy at times.

We block company ads, our eyes scan past the ads that remain, we spam-list their emails and rip into them on our various review sites when they wrong us.

Companies realize, though, that talk is cheap, and see through our bullshit a little better. And, sadly, there's very little self control by consumers at times.

> you'll eventually end up stuck somewhere in the past, like the old nut in the hut living on top of a mountain

It's not so bad here. I don't even have a Facebook account. There's enough ad blocking options out there to kill several news companies several times over. That's before installing a proper separate firewall box.

> while everyone is throwing their personal data to Microsoft and friends telling me that it's going to be ok because "the functionality provided is convenient". Which makes zero sense.

It makes zero sense if you lack agency and choice. You have an opt out. It makes zero sense if you provide what you didn't will to. Opt ins are superior, I'll certainly grant. It makes zero sense if you haven't recognized the full ramifications and potential impact of sharing the data you share. They don't know what they're getting into.

But it also makes zero sense to dismiss "convenient functionality" as a reasonable rationale to give data freely, by choice, if you understand the impact and potential ramifications of it. There's a reason this stuff works. Ignoring that merely blinds you to the beast, and robs you of taking as much advantage of it, or to defend against it's detriments.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

#545

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Philosophical question: is it really your life, if your software may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if it hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you? No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers, and society at large may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if they hadn't been making the suggestions to influence…

> No less so than if your friends, family, coworkers, and society at large may be subtly persuading you in a different direction than what you would've taken if they hadn't been making the suggestions to influence you. I'd add to that list things like Toxoplasma gondii.[1] Who knows, maybe it is the viruses controlling us all. Maybe there are behaviour modifying viruses that cause little to no overt symptoms of infec…

At least it isn't Cordyceps Fungus.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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It's multiple gigabytes for a single language and accent . I wasn't even talking about the full dataset across languages. You don't seem to understand the size requirements for getting a good dataset. Don't you think Microsoft would have loaded up the dataset if it was easy and cheap? They didn't have a desktop cloud-based recognition service until literally yesterday, so they had many, many years to include this mag…

>It's multiple gigabytes for a single language and accent. I have 602 GB free on my first hard drive, 519 free on my second, 699 on my third, 1.06TB free on my forth, 405GB free on my fifth and 46 free on my 6th. If Microsoft would be kind enough to release it to me, I think I can probably find a corner to squeeze it into. >Don't you think Microsoft would have loaded up the dataset if it was easy and cheap? No, I don…

Do you also have that much memory? The dataset would need to be loaded into memory at all times recognition is used to be useful.

I never said storage is the limiting factor, in fact, I even said you need a significant amount of "space and memory".

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Have anything specific except for Flash or macros for Word? There is the recent 15 or so year old problem, so far never seen in practice, having to do with fonts or some such. Otherwise, what's insecure about XP? Or more secure about 7, 8, 8.1, or 10? Sure, using XP means I'm not cool , but what about actual security? Or are the crucial parts of XP really much different than those of 7? I doubt it. Until the XP suppo…

> Otherwise, what's insecure about XP? Or more secure about 7, 8, 8.1, or 10? Windows XP had no UAC and most users were surfing as admin, which was inherently more insecure. Also, XP does not have a bunch of security features the newer Windows had, see http://superuser.com/a/739204 . And now without the updates, since security issues are not patched, the system should be open to all kinds of drive-by attacks and what…

I read the link and got nothing out of it. I don't even know what the acronyms mean.

I don't understand "drive by attacks": My XP computer has nothing wireless, not even the keyboard or the mouse. Wireless, essentially everything about everything wireless looks to me like a gigantic security problem. Right: I have no smartphone; I have a cell phone someone gave me, but I've never used it and intend never to use it. I see no panel trucks outside looking at whatever radiation my equipment giving off.

I really don't get the suggestion in the link that somehow XP is vulnerable just from being connected to the Internet. I don't have much software listening on IP ports -- I shut down that stuff. I don't use Internet Explorer except rarely at Microsoft sites. I use Firefox and have Java disabled.

I don't let data from untrusted sources execute at software. Really, I rarely download any software, not plug-ins, macros, or anything else.

The link says that most XP users run as Administrator. Well, I don't. I have to run as Administrator for some of my software development, but otherwise I run as an ordinary user.

People used to worry about opening e-mail attachments. I never did or would do such a thing. I run Outlook only in text mode; I never let Outlook trigger the processing of HTML or display an image.

My version of Flash is a bit old and, that means that Flash never runs except when I explicitly permit it to run, and I only do that on no doubt fairly safe Web sites.

I permit Acrobat to see a PDF file only from no doubt highly trusted sources.

I fail to see just why my computer is so vulnerable. All evidence is that my computer is safe enough to date.

Windows XP does support the Microsoft High Performance File System (HPFS), and it has capabilities and access control lists (ACLs) which, going all the way back to Multics, IBM's Resource Access Control Facility (RACF), parts of SQL Server, etc., are relatively good ideas for security.

In time I will convert over to Windows Server anyway, make use of ACLs, use virtual machines, maybe some version of containers, etc.

I don't read removable media from untrusted sources. I never use thumb drives. For CDs and DVDs, I tell Windows over and over, "take no action".

There is a suspicion that once Microsoft noticed, say, way back in Windows 95, that their code was awash in security holes, they first saw the bad news and, later, noticed some good news: Fix the bugs but use bug fixes as a way to get users to upgrade to new software, with more bugs to be fixed, to get people to upgrade to more software, etc. Generally Microsoft wants users of Windows to have to keep returning to Microsoft and paying money. Gee, my processor is from AMD and I don't have to keep interacting with them and paying money.

Considering this suspicion, why should I rush to Windows 7, 8, 8.1, 10 with a lot of new software and bugs?

I look at Satya's face and I know that I can't read it or understand him. I can't trust Satya.

Really my big concern on upgrading is the weeks and weeks and weeks of barbed wire enemas I will have to go through, clicking, guessing, struggling, clicking, clicking, clicking, over and over, for hours and hours at a time, days, weeks, months, screaming in anger, literally, until my throat is sore, literally, as I've done too often in the past, just to get back to a system as usable as I have now.

E.g., now I have my main boot partition backed up so that I can restore it. If that partition gets infected, then I will just restore my most recent backup, which has been apparently solid, stable, and secure now for about three years. I know how to do the restore and have done it and tested it. And I have two other partitions I can boot from to do the restore.

So, how would I do such things with 7, 8, ...? Will Microsoft tell me? Nope. They just want to suggest that they can solve all my problems by migrating my options in Outlook. Bummer.

Now I'm using XP to develop the .NET software for my startup. Here, XP seems fine. But I intend to go live on Windows Server. Windows 7? I have a legal copy if I need it. Windows 8, 8.1, 10, metro interface, integration with XBOX, Surface, and phones? I can't imagine why I'd ever tolerate any such nonsense. A new GUI UI? No thanks: I want command lines and scripts. Office 365? No thanks. I have a copy of Office 2003 -- with lots of patches, and that's fine with me.

Uh, if I install Windows 7 will Office 2003 install? Will I be able to get the patches for Office 2003? If not will I have to buy a new copy of Office? Will I hate the new copy? Likely.

Don't I really want to upgrade now? Nope.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Yes, I agree that it's not really a problem for everyone. The issue isn't actually privacy. The issue is "find a reason to bash on MS for this month". Now, I think the incentive structures for FOSS projects are a little different such that the FOSS environment isn't going to converge on the idea of collecting such data. But clearly, throw any sort of system that wants to make money into the mix, coupled with the fact…

apple and google are scumbag corporations (not only) when it comes to privacy... so is it OK if another big corp joins them? you basically say yes, I say NO.

If by literally saying no I am basically saying yes, then I guess I have a lot to work on in terms of writing clarity.
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