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What China Has Been Building in the South China Sea
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#12So when Dubai does it it's tourism, but when Chinese do it it's a bullying tactic?
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#13So when Dubai does it it's tourism, but when Chinese do it it's a bullying tactic?
Does Dubai do it in contested international waters? ;)
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#14What a pity they destroyed those reefs. Besides that, artificial land is nothing new, a good chunk of NL was made by manipulating the sea. Even so this is clearly a 'landgrab', but not much different other than the time in which it happens (the present, rather than a few hundred years ago). NL did it with the colonies and plenty of other countries did it too. A lot of that has reverted over the last 3 decades but the…
That whole story kind of strikes me as propaganda with deliberately provided intel and probably even satellite images.
There is increasing necessity to condition Americans for what is seen as a coming confrontation with China. People need to start being worried and have concerns. I'm not placing any kind of judgement on whether that is good or bad, but it is happening and our government deems it necessary to "educate" the public and we all very well know that the NYT, along with many other mainstream news sources, are little more than government propaganda channels.
I wouldn't say it's about money. From the bottom it looks like it's all about money, because there is a huge money layer that blocks the view; but from the top, it becomes rather clear that it's not really about money at all when you have all the money you ever need. It's about power, control, and legacy; all far more elusive goals than simply money.
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#15What a pity they destroyed those reefs. Besides that, artificial land is nothing new, a good chunk of NL was made by manipulating the sea. Even so this is clearly a 'landgrab', but not much different other than the time in which it happens (the present, rather than a few hundred years ago). NL did it with the colonies and plenty of other countries did it too. A lot of that has reverted over the last 3 decades but the…
It's not only about money, you cannot discount nationalism. Cyprus is a different situation than Falklands or the Spratly Islands.
You can't compare an island with 1 million inhabitants to basically uninhabited islands.
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#16So when Dubai does it it's tourism, but when Chinese do it it's a bullying tactic?
Did Dubai do it in waters that are claimed by other countries?
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#17It all comes down to the international laws of the sea.
Planting your flag on a 1m wide rock above the high tide line enables an exclusive zone with radius 12 NM for excluding all foreign vessels, a radius of 24 NM for enforcement of your laws, and one with radius 200 NM for exclusive economic activities, like oil drilling, undersea mining, and fishing.
It's a resource grab. China wants the fish and the seafloor.
What they're going to end up doing is forging a multilateral treaty between Vietnam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Phillippines, and possibly Taiwan, with Australia and the USA giving a nod and a wink from the back of the room.
I think that there won't be a shooting war. It will be about 95% economic warfare.
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#19What a pity they destroyed those reefs. Besides that, artificial land is nothing new, a good chunk of NL was made by manipulating the sea. Even so this is clearly a 'landgrab', but not much different other than the time in which it happens (the present, rather than a few hundred years ago). NL did it with the colonies and plenty of other countries did it too. A lot of that has reverted over the last 3 decades but the…
That whole story kind of strikes me as propaganda with deliberately provided intel and probably even satellite images. There is increasing necessity to condition Americans for what is seen as a coming confrontation with China. People need to start being worried and have concerns. I'm not placing any kind of judgement on whether that is good or bad, but it is happening and our government deems it necessary to "educate…
The problems in that area are nothing new, the local medias of each involved country have been talking about it for years, before the US began to take sides.