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An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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Oh my god. If the US will start to privatise police then we soon have that all over the planet.

San Francisco has a private police force that predates the public one. And is less corrupt.

http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/21/san-franciscos-private...

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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I worked in the Quarter for the better part of two years. The criminals are criminals; the transients are part of the character of the area. Where else in the world do you have a mix of movie stars and millionaires living alongside musicians and artists working hard to survive?

As hard as he tries, the Quarter is still in New Orleans. White washing it may make it more appealing to moneyed types and tourists, but it comes at the cost of turning the Quarter into a shell of what it once was.

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"...Torres’s squad, the French Quarter Task Force, which at all hours had three armed officers zigzagging the neighborhood in matte black Polaris Rangers that resemble militarized golf carts." "Torres also became involved in setting policy. Earlier that week, his force had coordinated with the N.O.P.D. in two huge arrest sweeps of so-called transients, whose familiar panhandling presence in the neighborhood (ragged c…

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Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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post #21
post #5

Oh my god. If the US will start to privatise police then we soon have that all over the planet.

San Francisco has a private police force that predates the public one. And is less corrupt. http://reason.com/archives/2015/07/21/san-franciscos-private...

The San Francisco police have 2,000+ officers. The San Francisco Patrol Special Police you refer to have 40. I'd both be interested in the metric you're using to determine "less corrupt" and in how that metric would look if they had 2,000 officers like the SFPD.

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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"...Torres’s squad, the French Quarter Task Force, which at all hours had three armed officers zigzagging the neighborhood in matte black Polaris Rangers that resemble militarized golf carts." "Torres also became involved in setting policy. Earlier that week, his force had coordinated with the N.O.P.D. in two huge arrest sweeps of so-called transients, whose familiar panhandling presence in the neighborhood (ragged c…

Isn't this almost literally the plot of Robocop?

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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"...Torres’s squad, the French Quarter Task Force, which at all hours had three armed officers zigzagging the neighborhood in matte black Polaris Rangers that resemble militarized golf carts." "Torres also became involved in setting policy. Earlier that week, his force had coordinated with the N.O.P.D. in two huge arrest sweeps of so-called transients, whose familiar panhandling presence in the neighborhood (ragged c…

This is very close to the model of private active security in wealthier suburbs of Johannesburg [1], [2], [3]. Crime in suburbs got so bad that residents are prepared to pay for active patrolling. There are 24 hour patrols by armed guards, many of whom are ex-military. It is quite fucked up to think that we are paying armed men to drive around my suburb all day and night to stop other armed men from coming into my house. These companies also do investigations and are permitted to (citizens') arrest people under certain circumstances. They ostensibly supplement the police, but effectively supplant them. It must be mentioned that these services work tremendously well and crime has been driven to near zero in many areas.

[1] http://www.capgroup.org.za/ [2] http://www.csstactical.co.za/ [3] http://www.24-7security.co.za/

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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"...Torres’s squad, the French Quarter Task Force, which at all hours had three armed officers zigzagging the neighborhood in matte black Polaris Rangers that resemble militarized golf carts." "Torres also became involved in setting policy. Earlier that week, his force had coordinated with the N.O.P.D. in two huge arrest sweeps of so-called transients, whose familiar panhandling presence in the neighborhood (ragged c…

This is not vigilante justice. These are off duty police officers working as an officially sanctioned part of the local government, which is obviously failing to get the job done. A vigilante would shoot the malefactors on the spot, but these officers are arresting the individuals in cooperation with the nopd and their cases are adjudicated like any others. I don't see any problem with someone who has skin in the gam…

All good points you raise.

I think what really bothers me about this private police force is the fact that they act so specifically to the will of one man, rather than as a public unit that is funded by the people and administered effectively to serve the people.

I would applaud his actions if he was a publicly elected official. Giuliani and the NYPD did a great job in NY. It just rubs me the wrong way that this man gets to subvert the system and hire a squad of armed off-duty police officers to respond to his beck and call.

Disruption is one thing when you're a tech startup in silicon valley. It's a whole different beast when it involves cops for hire in armored golf carts, driving around with guns.

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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I worked in the Quarter for the better part of two years. The criminals are criminals; the transients are part of the character of the area. Where else in the world do you have a mix of movie stars and millionaires living alongside musicians and artists working hard to survive? As hard as he tries, the Quarter is still in New Orleans. White washing it may make it more appealing to moneyed types and tourists, but it c…

I still live here, and I'm sick of the "Crime is part of the character" narrative. The Quarter, Marigny, Bywater, and Treme can have plenty of character without the risk of getting mugged biking home from work.

Re: An entrepreneur persuaded New Orleans to let him create a high-tech police force

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"...Torres’s squad, the French Quarter Task Force, which at all hours had three armed officers zigzagging the neighborhood in matte black Polaris Rangers that resemble militarized golf carts." "Torres also became involved in setting policy. Earlier that week, his force had coordinated with the N.O.P.D. in two huge arrest sweeps of so-called transients, whose familiar panhandling presence in the neighborhood (ragged c…

This is not vigilante justice. These are off duty police officers working as an officially sanctioned part of the local government, which is obviously failing to get the job done. A vigilante would shoot the malefactors on the spot, but these officers are arresting the individuals in cooperation with the nopd and their cases are adjudicated like any others. I don't see any problem with someone who has skin in the gam…

  I don't see any problem with someone who has skin in the 
  game and who is passionate getting involved [...] The
  fact that he is rich and politically connected makes him
  that much more able to tackle the problem.
One traditional hazard is when the people with the power to solve problems solve them for themselves but not for everyone, so they lose their skin in the game before they finish the job properly.

An example:

* Me and the mayor live on the same street, in the rich area of town, where there are ten potholes that really annoy us both. I'm always bugging him about it.

* There are a thousand potholes over the rest of the city. The mayor can't afford to fix them this year, but he'd like to soon. Maybe with a tax increase, or a cut to the parks budget?

* I form a local pothole-fixing task force. With the mayor's consent, my neighbours and I raise $2000 and hire someone to fix the ten potholes that annoy us.

* The mayor is no longer annoyed by potholes, and I no longer bug him about it. He realises nobody really wants a tax increase, or a cut to the parks budget.

* The remaining 990 potholes don't get fixed. Sucks not to live in the rich part of town!

If Torres was sending his forces across the entire city equally, it would be a different matter! But fixing 10 potholes is much easier to afford than fixing 1000.

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