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Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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That'd be cool. But bringing limited network access to certain sites, such as Facebook, is less cool.

wikipedia is a supoorted website. thats really cool

> supported website

Think about how terrible that is.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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I would like to see these used in the US to break the telco monopoly stranglehold. Of course it's likely the FAA/FCC would make sure not to let that happen. edit: I mean same tech, but not deployed by Facebook.

The US has the density and wealth to do this via landbased towers. So AT&T, Tmobile, Verizon, and Sprint already do it.

This is more about reaching remote, sparsely populated areas.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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wikipedia is a supoorted website. thats really cool

> supported website Think about how terrible that is.

Is it better or worse than simply:

  NO CARRIER
I argue it's better.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

#35

This video has given me a newfound respect for Facebook. Many engineers at tech companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. report that they feel overqualified for their work. I imagine many yearn for the chance to work on moonshot projects like these - is there any reason why secretive research divisions at these companies are so small, when there is plenty of engineering talent to go around internally?

Because more engineers makes for a worse product, particularly if you're doing something very innovative that requires a lot of iteration.

The amount of code you can write grows linearly with number of engineers, but communication costs grow quadratically. Therefore, the speed at which you can execute is inversely proportional to the size of the team, unless you can cut communication costs. Established projects can do this with architectural decisions that prevent one engineer from needing to know about or communicate with other engineers working on unrelated parts of the product. New projects cannot, because the architecture hasn't been established yet. That's why every innovative product grows out of a small team.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

#36
I hate Facebook and what it does to people. There is nothing worse than sitting in a room full of zombies on their mobiles. Despite all the great tech my first thought is how satisfying it would be for one of these to be taken down by a ground to Facebook missile.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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Just, no. This is frightening on many levels. A facebook plane? To get people on facebook, right? To get them on the internet is secondary to Zuckerbergs goals here, lets be honest. A walled garden? Come on. It should be the whole internet or they shouldn't even bother. A walled garden, with no security protocols, with the intention of getting the entire world on facebook? Not cool.

How is the world with no Facebook plane in any way better than the world with a Facebook plane that provides Facebook access? If you don't want Facebook access, or you already have it, the two worlds are indistinguishable.

Because internet.org's proxy server gives Facebook monopsonic control over the internet.

Even ignoring the massive man-in-the-middle attack problems from running old phones on a proxy, Facebook is positioning themselves to control exclusive access to large number of users for websites.

You could argue that Google already does this - but Google has competitors that users could switch to in a heartbeat. Internet.org users don't have options, and websites need to pander to Facebook to be in that walled garden. It also makes it easier for third world countries to censor the internet.

In the end, this is damaging to the open internet ecosystem. Facebook could have just implemented a rate-limited or data capped system like other ISPs, but they opted to create a more restrictive system that gives them more power.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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post #27

Just, no. This is frightening on many levels. A facebook plane? To get people on facebook, right? To get them on the internet is secondary to Zuckerbergs goals here, lets be honest. A walled garden? Come on. It should be the whole internet or they shouldn't even bother. A walled garden, with no security protocols, with the intention of getting the entire world on facebook? Not cool.

How is the world with no Facebook plane in any way better than the world with a Facebook plane that provides Facebook access? If you don't want Facebook access, or you already have it, the two worlds are indistinguishable.

Yup. Cant wait for the Youtube, Amazon and Pornhub planes next.

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

#39

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Someone has to pay for this. Providing the full internet isn't an option.

If it's not the "full internet" then it's not the internet. They shouldn't dress this up like a charitable project.

Some internet > no internet

Re: Facebook completes construction of first full-scale aircraft, Aquila [video]

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the world with no Facebook plane in any way better than the world with a Facebook plane that provides Facebook access? If you don't want Facebook access, or you already have it, the two worlds are indistinguishable.

Because internet.org's proxy server gives Facebook monopsonic control over the internet. Even ignoring the massive man-in-the-middle attack problems from running old phones on a proxy, Facebook is positioning themselves to control exclusive access to large number of users for websites. You could argue that Google already does this - but Google has competitors that users could switch to in a heartbeat. Internet.org us…

> Because internet.org's proxy server gives Facebook monopsonic control over the internet.

You mean control over the internet access they're providing, that otherwise doesn't exist?

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