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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by bpodgursky »

quadrangle wrote: post #236
freehunter wrote: post #193

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>Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? I did. Linux and OSX are still available for whoever wants them. You can stick with Windows 7 if you want, that's just fine. I like Cortana. I like my software knowing what I like and what I'm interested in. It makes my life easier, which is what computers were invented for. I can see why some people might not, and to be fair I use Linux on my work laptop because the…

I do not consent to you and others giving Microsoft (or Google or Facebook etc…) all the personal information this necessarily reveals about me when you accept their terms and have any electronic interactions with me.

That's not your consent to give. If you tell me your name, I'm free to repeat that to whoever I want. If you aren't ok with public information being re-broadcasted, don't go outside.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by happycube »

snoman wrote: post #211
api wrote: post #195

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We had speech recognition back in the 1990s on computers less powerful than a Raspberry Pi V1. We're talking 200-400mhz 32-bit Intel boxes. So yes, the cloud dependency is very dubious. If leveraging a lot of data allows for better speech recognition, why can't your computer access a remote speech recognition data set that stores and shares the results of its machine learning algorithms rather than uploading actual a…

Not sure if you're being facetious or not but if you were right then we would just do it on our existing phones now. In the 90s we had slow voice recognition that took a long time to train, that would only ever work for a single user, in a silent room... If it worked at all... Which wasn't very common.

Android's supported on-device speech recognition in the keyboard since like 4.2 (maybe even 4.1)

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by rhaps0dy »

batou wrote: post #237
x5n1 wrote: post #231

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Now if can only do the same with Google and Android, we'd be all set. Why does Google get a get out of jail for free card in this? Android is like the spying on everything you do operating system. Your location, your voice, your pictures, your passwords, I mean fuck... There is nothing Android doesn't know about you that it doesn't share with Google and on request the US government.

Google are just as bad. I've moved to a dumbphone and an IMAP mailbox at an independent company. I tried Android but that was pretty much impossible to keep control of (Moto G 2, Android 5.0)

I want a Jolla. Sailfish is probably better in this respect (or at least the company is smaller).

That said, all that data harvested and used to customize the interface for you is indeed convenient.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by batou »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #242
quadrangle wrote: post #236

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I do not consent to you and others giving Microsoft (or Google or Facebook etc…) all the personal information this necessarily reveals about me when you accept their terms and have any electronic interactions with me.

I appreciate what you're trying to say, but ultimately... Sucks to be you. If you don't want others to share that data, you'll have to stop interacting with them.

I've done that. They revert to traditional methods like phone calls when they want or need something. Every time.

Sucks to be you if your relationships, be they business or personal, are as fragile as a volatile technology.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by MichaelGG »

brewdad wrote: post #189
pjc50 wrote: post #141

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Doesn't the US impose privacy guarantees on those storing data about the under-13s anyway?

Sure. The way around that is to simply not allow users under 13 to have an account. If a user lies about his age in order to get an account, Microsoft is no longer liable.

Yep. We use fake birthdays for my kids' accounts. First it is an opportunity to explain to them that you simply don't need to answer questions truthfully just because a form asks. There's zero benefit to being truthful here; only potential downsides. Same with real name.

Second I explained that under 13 means stuff won't work, so let's add 10 years or so to make sure they don't have trouble.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by mynameisvlad »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #192
mynameisvlad wrote: post #146

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Not nearly as fast as cloud recognition has. Especially with all three of the big companies having serious cloud-based recognition offerings and focusing on them. And seriously, Cortana would be useless without the cloud aspect. Half the things it does revolve around connecting your digital life together by accessing various things about you. Without the cloud, it's literally just Windows 8 search.

> Not nearly as fast as cloud recognition has. How is that? Desktop systems respond quickly, cloud systems often respond after a second - it takes time for data to do a round-trip over crappy mobile connection. Mobile latency is a big thing. I agree wrt. Cortana (and Siri, Google Now) - most of the things you use them for will require Internet access. But there are still a lot of things that you could do with voice t…

I was referring to the improving part. joosters said desktop recognition has been improving, I meant that cloud has been improving faster. Which is true, all the big companies are focusing on cloud-based recognition. The improvements might eventually come to desktop recognition systems, but even that's not a guarantee given where the focus seems to be.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by batou »

rhaps0dy wrote: post #254
batou wrote: post #237

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Google are just as bad. I've moved to a dumbphone and an IMAP mailbox at an independent company. I tried Android but that was pretty much impossible to keep control of (Moto G 2, Android 5.0)

I want a Jolla. Sailfish is probably better in this respect (or at least the company is smaller). That said, all that data harvested and used to customize the interface for you is indeed convenient.

I'm using Nokia 106. Calls. Texts. Nothing else. I turn it off at 6pm and on at 9am.

Doesn't have data, GPS, Bluetooth or WiFi so that's not a problem. The best it gives is rough triangulation data from cell towers but I can leave it at home and do nefarious things to my own heart's content if I so desire (not that I intend to).

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Post by pistle »

bad_user wrote: post #172
_yosefk wrote: post #122

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Isn't MS closer to Apple than Google in terms of how it makes money? You pay directly for all or most of its stuff. Also, I thought Google sold your eyeballs to advertisers but not your data nor how it figured that it were your eyeballs that were most fit for the ad. (I guess for some ads, the very fact that it thought your eyeballs were fit for them already discloses more about you than you'd like... and I'd guess t…

Microsoft has Bing and their own advertising platform, with a tight partnership with Yahoo. Bing is now tightly integrated within Windows since version 8, ads and all. It's really irrelevant how much money Microsoft makes from this when they are in the same business. Also, I interacted with Google's AdX and others and I must say that Google's AdX is much more restrictive in the user data exposed. The identifiers they…

Bing has also been the default for Apple's Siri for a couple years? They may be growing their own search engine to support Siri, but I'd be interested to know if there are any identifiers passed to Bing for those searches... Trusted Partners and all.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Post by belorn »

Animats wrote: post #167
ewzimm wrote: post #20

Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant, so I expected to see all these things as defaults. The advanced features just couldn't work without it. I'm glad there's at least an opt-out, but I do think that Windows needs an OS-wide incognito mode, just a simple switch to record or not record data. I generally use that on my browser for whe…

"Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant." Who wanted that for desktop computers or laptops? This is not going to fly with business customers. Microsoft has already bombed twice in the business space, with Windows Vista and Windows 8. This looks like another bomb. Windows 7 is still pretty good, and it will probably be the main Microso…

I would be very wary of using windows 10 as a company. If they are sending all key strokes that a user types, then any illusion of privileged information between company and customer goes out of the window. It makes me wonder how the legal team of companies would say if they caught the magnitude of data being leaked through default enabled services.
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