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I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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Of course you did. Large companies have no vested interest in building systems that do the "right thing" for you as defined by tech types like us who are arguably more sensitive on this subject than most people. They are building services that take your information and try to do something interesting enough with it to make it worthwhile...and why is it on by default? Because they want to make money off of the new fea…

It's not wrong or evil or even criminally negligent to want programs that you write to work as intended. With new systems that have fancy machine learning based features developers face the difficulty that making an accurate training data set is impossible, especially at the scale at which Microsoft ships its software. Cortana's abilities to be smart assistant all involve polling the data mentioned in the post, sure you can disable all of them and be blissfully disconnected from network assisted features like her and better handwriting recognition. It's a choice and by default there isnt any harm in leaving most of those options enabled, the average user will only benefit from the interaction. It's okay to be conscious about where you're sending your data but its just ridiculous to frame each new feature released by company as morally wrong or "having no vested interest in doing the right thing".

God forbid we become slaves to the evil corporations. /s

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #8

Okay. Good to know. So, when I decide to upgrade from Windows XP, I will install the legal DVD I have of Windows 7 and stay with that for years! No Windows 8, 10, etc. for me until Microsoft makes some fantastically strong and solid statements about compatibility with old software, security, and privacy.

Their commitment to compatibility with old software was what crippled Windows in the first place.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #4

This is why i think Tim Cook is genius for marketing Apple as the anti "We sell all your data and spy on you" companies.

That's just a FUD compaign. I guess you can be a genious for coming up with clever ways to FUD but I'd rather not encourage that.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #7

I don't intend on leaving any of these on when I install Windows 10 but some of these seem to correspond directly with the whole "Cortana as personal assistant" thing. And there is whole separate system for controlling what Cortana knows about you.

See also "Killing Cortana: How to disable Windows 10's info-hungry digital assistant" http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949759/windows/killing-corta...

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and why is it on by default? Because Cortana would be useless without it and that's a big user-facing feature of Windows 10.

Something like Cortana could have been built to work locally, using your own resources. But it wasn't. This was an opportunity to say "we're not like Siri and Google Now, we respect your privacy", but instead they built something just like them.

But the entire point of the service was to use data mining techniques so that you could use natural language directives to say "add a reminder to my team's calendar to update some presentation in O365, etc"...

Maybe you don't find it that useful, but I think that a lot of people would. It will, in a future release, be genuinely useful. It's getting there.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #20

Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant, so I expected to see all these things as defaults. The advanced features just couldn't work without it. I'm glad there's at least an opt-out, but I do think that Windows needs an OS-wide incognito mode, just a simple switch to record or not record data. I generally use that on my browser for whe…

but now there's the risk of the entire OS learning someone else's habits when they just need to use the computer

They already do pollute the OS history with their behaviours. Examples would be the DNS cache, the thumbnail database and the temp directory. Most people just don't know about these or look at them. But they can be very revealing. The problem I have is that the OS is so ready to upload things. I don't want my OS to upload anything at all, unless I command it to do so.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #29
post #4

This is why i think Tim Cook is genius for marketing Apple as the anti "We sell all your data and spy on you" companies.

Well, to be fair, they spy on you but just don't sell the data. Yet.

That we know of.

Seriously, it's not like every contract they have is public information (nor am I saying it should).

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #20

Windows is now essentially a personalized, cloud-based operating system with the primary interface as a personal assistant, so I expected to see all these things as defaults. The advanced features just couldn't work without it. I'm glad there's at least an opt-out, but I do think that Windows needs an OS-wide incognito mode, just a simple switch to record or not record data. I generally use that on my browser for whe…

I've been waiting for this comment, I can see how the first set of customization options really seem like they'd help with the personal assistant. It would be interesting to get a full audit of where your data goes and what they can use it for (training your personal assistant, improving their algorithms, responding to Govt data requests, improving ads, etc).

As for incognito, can you sign into windows as guest now? Or even have multiple accounts on the same pc? If so you could create a guest/dummy account if you are interested in giving the personal assistant pure data.

Re: I noticed some disturbing privacy defaults in Windows 10

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post #8

Okay. Good to know. So, when I decide to upgrade from Windows XP, I will install the legal DVD I have of Windows 7 and stay with that for years! No Windows 8, 10, etc. for me until Microsoft makes some fantastically strong and solid statements about compatibility with old software, security, and privacy.

>security

Can someone still using XP really claim to care about security?

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