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GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by qwerqweq »

bmir-alum-007 wrote: post #171
calcsam wrote: post #41

Both this piece, and most commenters, seem to miss the point about where Github's value comes from. It's not for being a social identity for programmers, or hosting open-source libraries. Those are worthy pursuits, but from a business perspective mostly serve as marketing. Github is basically Microsoft Word for programmers, and is an essential part of their workflow. Companies that need enterprise functionality aroun…

The value is a premium considering Atlassian was valued last year at $3.3B even though it has significantly more enterprisey features/ecosystem in the wiki/issue tracker/CI space, although it's not yet owned the social VCS enterprise/SaaS space. Atlassian has an interest in dominating the enterprise-side with JIRA (issue tracker) & Confluence (wiki). Atlassian's Github non-Enterprise competitor, Bitbucket, has unlimi…

What is "Active Directory provisioning"? Is this just an alternative way to authenticate users with the wiki similar to LDAP?

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by patio11 »

danieltillett wrote: post #77

The most interesting thing about all these massive fund raisings is why. It is almost as if the managers of these companies think we are about to enter a period where raising funds will be impossible, revenue from servicing the startup economy will dry up, and they will need a massive war chest to survive.

revenue from servicing the startup economy will dry up

One of the salient differences between the 90s tech bubble and our current state of affairs is that in the 90s Yahoo sold to startups justifying a higher valuation for Yahoo justifying more startups... and this largely doesn't happen now.

I haven't worked with Github but I have worked with many companies which are "strikingly similar" to Github. Their median customer is a boring business which sells things to people for money. If the entire Bay Area slid into the sea, most software companies wouldn't notice until their pull requests stopped getting accepted.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by kschrader »

mpdehaan2 wrote: post #180
mszyndel wrote: post #119

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Yet to meet a developer who's as excited about using Jira as about using Github issues...

Despite having a gazillion issue trackers, something halfway between the two would be welcome. GitHub issue tracking is not good enough to manage any kind of large project, JIRA is a bit of a beast. I'd prefer having an integrated JIRA any day, though I do still strongly DISLIKE JIRA. There's still opportunity for something better IMHO. (For very small teams, I find that's Trello, but Trello isn't really for large gr…

We're working on something to split the middle at http://Clubhouse.io

As easy to use as Trello for small teams, but scales up as you grow (although we probably cap out at 100-ish devs right now, not quite to Jira's level yet.)

(Full disclosure: CEO/Founder)

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by crucini »

hga wrote: post #101
seanflyon wrote: post #85

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Could you explicitly state what it is you are referring to? I'm not familiar with github's content restrictions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 tl;dr: Observed fact, GitHub disappeared a repo (this I personally know for a fact) and all its forks, the only reason we can surmise is that it described itself as "X for retards". I believe it's this one https://github.com/WebMBro/WebMConverter now described as "WebM for bakas." (Japanglish for idiots or fools). Per this https://imgur.com/QC51FZz it was indeed for the us…

Github has chosen the left/PC side, certainly, as evidenced by the rug death. But I suspect this will help them rather than hurt, as the majority of developers are probably left/PC, as is leadership of major tech companies. They are aligning with the power structure.

Do you think Bitbucket would stand up to a PC Twitter campaign? I think not; only the explicitly ideological want to fight such battles.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by purephase »

gelatocar wrote: post #87
gabesullice wrote: post #57

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I get that when it's just a personal project, but the Github workflow is also very nice to have. When I want a buddy to access my private repo, I just add his/her GitHub user name, I don't need to have them create a BitBucket account. I don't need to figure out how issues and PRs work with BitBucket, etc. It's the network effects and UI that I'm paying for - one UI private or public. Plus, it supports a service I val…

My agency is considering switching to bitbucket from github because bitbucket's pricing per team member would cost us 10 times less than github's pricing per repository.

That's the reason we use it. I love GH and use it personally, but the pricing for companies with a lot of private repos (like agencies) is not ideal. We save a considerable amount of money using BB over GH.

BB is pretty great though, so aside from the social factor, the functionality is pretty much the same.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by jlebar »

silverbax88 wrote: post #164
Aldo_MX wrote: post #120

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> Bitbucket is actually superior in many ways I beg to differ: 2-factor authentication[1], you can't change your credentials[2], it's not as easy to integrate with CI tools since most devs just focus in the integration with Github, and probably there are many more ways where Bitbucket is inferior in comparison with Github. [1] https://bitbucket.org/site/master/issues/5811/support-two-fa... [2] https://answers.atlassi…

Did you really claim 2-factor authentication as your primary differentiation for choosing source control? Really? Not one of the actual uses of the application? BTW, GitHub does NOT play well with most CI tools. It's memory management is downright abysmal. As someone who understands the deep workings of source control apps, I hate having to constantly work through issues with devs botching their check ins. I never ha…

> Did you really claim 2-factor authentication as your primary differentiation for choosing source control? Really?

As someone who used to have keys to a number of security-critical OSS projects, I would never use password-only authentication to protect write access to my repo.

It's not just the chance of someone sneaking in a change and its getting shipped to users -- although that's also awful -- but it's also the chance of someone sneaking in a change that pwns all of your developers (by running a script as part of the build).

And if you're using a private repository and care about keeping your source code secret, then you really, really, really want 2FA.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by MHordecki »

jareds wrote: post #166
toomuchtodo wrote: post #121

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I very strongly prefer, as an engineer, not to use Atlassian products (Jira, Hipchat, Bitbucket, etc).

While Jira can be clunky I don't mind using it since it's pretty much totally accessible to me as a blind developer. I can't say the same for a lot of other products my company used to use. Github is pretty good from an accessibility standpoint as well. One thing I can't figure out how to do in Github is see all forks of a repository. Is this possible to do?

From what I can tell a list of forks can be indirectly obtained through a "network" graph that's pretty clunky to use.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by nulltype »

silverbax88 wrote: post #161
mszyndel wrote: post #119

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Yet to meet a developer who's as excited about using Jira as about using Github issues...

I hate Jira but I love BitBucket. Absolutely hate Git. I know that GitHub and Git are not one and the same. BitBucket+Mercurial is sweetness as a developer. Better than TFS, far better than Git, and well, everything on the planet is better than ClearCase.

I actually preferred using ClearCase to git.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by nulltype »

tptacek wrote: post #178
idlewords wrote: post #175

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Why not just loop the dollar through and live comfortably on the surplus?

More money > less money? Don't look at me. We didn't raise VC either. Nor will we, until I take off this "WWMCD" bracelet.

I'm pretty sure he'd go to Antarctica.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by geoffreyy »

mpdehaan2 wrote: post #180
mszyndel wrote: post #119

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Yet to meet a developer who's as excited about using Jira as about using Github issues...

Despite having a gazillion issue trackers, something halfway between the two would be welcome. GitHub issue tracking is not good enough to manage any kind of large project, JIRA is a bit of a beast. I'd prefer having an integrated JIRA any day, though I do still strongly DISLIKE JIRA. There's still opportunity for something better IMHO. (For very small teams, I find that's Trello, but Trello isn't really for large gr…

You could also use ZenHub [1].

It is a powerful extension that add project management features directly inside GitHub.

You would enjoy Task boards, Burndown charts and many other features without leaving GitHub's website.

[1] http://www.zenhub.io

(Full disclosure: I used to work for ZenHub)

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