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GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by toomuchtodo »

findjashua wrote: post #129
toomuchtodo wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very strongly prefer, as an engineer, not to use Atlassian products (Jira, Hipchat, Bitbucket, etc).

okay, i'll bite. My employer recently made the switch from Hipchat to Slack, and I can't really tell any difference in functionality. The only thing slack has is that it's pretty/shiny, which doesn't really make any difference to me personally. If anything, I miss being able to arrange the channels like I could in Hipchat. Also, what does Github give you over Gitlab?

My comment wasn't intended to make you bite.

HipChat is playing catchup constantly with Slack (except the @here feature; Slack was behind the ball on that one). Slack's channel integrations are incredibly smooth. Message delivery is so much more reliable on Slack mobile than HipChat's app ever was (perhaps this was iOS specific?). Message management (stars, pinning, history links I can take from Slack and throw into Github issues, commits, or other SaaS team tools). The management of multiple teams in one interface on both mobile and mac desktop app (Slack handles this extremely well).

Github issues are enough for me to stick with GH. It Just Works. So you don't have to provide me with Github, Slack, etc as an employer. But it'll effect my decision to work there. I've interviewed people at my previous job, and they have flat out decided not to join when they were told we weren't using Github and had no plans to move to it.

When you're spending 8 hours (or more!) a day in tools, you expect them to be the best/easiest/most productive to use.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by blazespin »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #121
mszyndel wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet to meet a developer who's as excited about using Jira as about using Github issues...

I very strongly prefer, as an engineer, not to use Atlassian products (Jira, Hipchat, Bitbucket, etc).

Yeah, it depends on how big your teams are. There are some perf issues on the on premise solution, but when you're dealing with dozens of teams, each about 5-6 engineers all following scrum or kanban, you really need something like Atlassian.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by toomuchtodo »

blazespin wrote: post #132
toomuchtodo wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very strongly prefer, as an engineer, not to use Atlassian products (Jira, Hipchat, Bitbucket, etc).

Yeah, it depends on how big your teams are. There are some perf issues on the on premise solution, but when you're dealing with dozens of teams, each about 5-6 engineers all following scrum or kanban, you really need something like Atlassian.

I'm on a team of ~40. Doing fine with Slack, Github, and Trello (and no Atlassian products).

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by jessaustin »

gizmo686 wrote: post #95
seanflyon wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explicitly state what it is you are referring to? I'm not familiar with github's content restrictions.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118 This was on the front page recently. 741 comments and only 480 upvotes, so it wouldn't suprise me if it set off the flamewar filter and got pushed off.

It was surprising how long that stayed on the front page: it was still there when comments were ~550 and upvotes were at least a hundred less.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by thoman23 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #121
mszyndel wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet to meet a developer who's as excited about using Jira as about using Github issues...

I very strongly prefer, as an engineer, not to use Atlassian products (Jira, Hipchat, Bitbucket, etc).

Wait, what? What is wrong with the Atlassian suite?

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by stonogo »

hipcactus wrote: post #38
GauntletWizard wrote: post #10

Github has already stumbled, and will fall soon. Their gaffes in conduct[1] and content[2] policies are already dividing the community. For a company that has thrived on being a monoculture, this spells doom. [1] https://np.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/3e5c6f/why_the_... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9966118

Enterprise Customers cannot (and will not) attempt to transition from hosting hundreds (in some cases, thousands) of private repositories on gitHub in favor of another service. The alternative would have to aggressively undercut gitHub's enterprise sales model while competing with gitHub's uptime. Customers aren't going anywhere.

No "Enterprise Customer" is using github without a fallback plan. Github is in no way stable enough to rely on for business-critical work; fortunately, git is distributed and cnames exist, so it's easy to seamlessly fall back to competent hosting as needed.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by daemin »

While it's cool that Github is valued so highly in a business sense, some part of me worries that they'll fly too high and burn themselves from it, leading to the end of the service. I hope this does not happen.

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

#139

Post by findjashua »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #131
findjashua wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

okay, i'll bite. My employer recently made the switch from Hipchat to Slack, and I can't really tell any difference in functionality. The only thing slack has is that it's pretty/shiny, which doesn't really make any difference to me personally. If anything, I miss being able to arrange the channels like I could in Hipchat. Also, what does Github give you over Gitlab?

My comment wasn't intended to make you bite. HipChat is playing catchup constantly with Slack (except the @here feature; Slack was behind the ball on that one). Slack's channel integrations are incredibly smooth. Message delivery is so much more reliable on Slack mobile than HipChat's app ever was (perhaps this was iOS specific?). Message management (stars, pinning, history links I can take from Slack and throw into…

my apologies if my tone come across as combative.

Slack: 1. I agree on the part about multiple teams, but since I only use it for work, it hasn't really been much of an issue.

2. I never really had any issues w message delivery, I'm on Android though, and it seems like you're on iOS.

3. I also don't remember having any issues w integrations, do you have a specific example of something that it wasn't able to do?

4. What exactly do you mean by "stars, pinning, history links I can take from Slack and throw into Github issues, commits, or other SaaS team tools"? Do you mean a bot or something that performed those actions on certain keystrokes?

Github: 1. I don't really care for Github issues to be honest. We don't use them at work, and for a lot of the open source repos, it's just a bunch of +1s with the occasional constructive comment sprinkled in somewhere.

2. Also, the comments on the PR don't have a way to mark someone's suggestion as accepted, and the comments aren't threaded either.

3. My biggest concern is that anyone can accidentally force push, though I don't know if Gitlab has a way of preventing that either.

My point is that for all the talk about meritocracy in the field of technology, when it comes to success and adoption, marketing and visual aesthetics usually outweigh the actual quality of the product. (also see: mongodb, beats etc)

Re: GitHub Raises $250M at $2B Valuation

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Post by jessaustin »

aggronn wrote: post #8
caffeineninja wrote: post #3

Soon, you can commit your genetic code to GitHub, then just do git diff master..offspring to see where your kid got his blue eyes from.

Our children will be taught to do all of their homework in git as the 2040 way of showing work! Github for 6th graders!

I wish more academics would do this... we'd be able to tell why those results aren't reproducible.
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