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Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#11

Post by mmozeiko »

minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

I had Windows 8.1 (non-OEM version) installed. Yesterday I created Windows ISO from that link. When booting from this ISO (on USB stick) it allowed me to upgrade existing Win8.1 installation. After upgrade I did clean install using same ISO. During installation I skipped entering windows key. Then at first boot it activated Windows automatically.

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#12

Post by mikehodgson »

minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

I updated this morning using the installer tool available at that link. If you're running the tool on the computer you want to upgrade, you don't need to create any media.

It will do everything automatically, I think I only had to answer two questions.

edit: Forgot to mention I was also on Windows 7

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#13

Post by [deleted] »

mmozeiko wrote: post #11
minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

I had Windows 8.1 (non-OEM version) installed. Yesterday I created Windows ISO from that link. When booting from this ISO (on USB stick) it allowed me to upgrade existing Win8.1 installation. After upgrade I did clean install using same ISO. During installation I skipped entering windows key. Then at first boot it activated Windows automatically.

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Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#14

Post by JohnTHaller »

minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

Run the appropriate tool and select upgrade. There's no need to create boot media in terms of an ISO or bootable USB. You shouldn't be prompted for a license key.

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#15

Post by scott_karana »

GodKronos wrote: post #10

No offence to the poster but stealing images from a Reddit mega thread, one of which is an outlier error and the other being 2 lines of text that wasn't changed in the "help" text, does not a terrible installer make. The same thread has hundreds if not thousands of posts indicating how easy the install was, only a few people are having issues which is to be expected on a product launch. Also if you say, " I cant reme…

> The same thread has hundreds if not thousands of posts indicating how easy the install was, only a few people are having issues which is to be expected on a product launch.

It's not "having outliers" that is a problem: it's how you treat them that matters.

"Something happened" is not useful a useful message to anyone: not the end-user, nor Microsoft. Imagine being the poor dev having to troubleshoot problems based on that message alone.

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#16

Post by [deleted] »

mikehodgson wrote: post #12
minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

I updated this morning using the installer tool available at that link. If you're running the tool on the computer you want to upgrade, you don't need to create any media. It will do everything automatically, I think I only had to answer two questions. edit: Forgot to mention I was also on Windows 7

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Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#17

Post by minimaxir »

mikehodgson wrote: post #12
minimaxir wrote: post #7

I just did a factory restore of my Windows 7 PC last night in preparation of the Windows 10 update. After finishing 4 years of Windows Updates (eventually), I wasn't offered an opportunity to upgrade to Windows 10 via Windows Update. Apparently, it's given out at random and you can't manually request it. In order to manually update, you apparently have to download the Windows 10 ISO ( https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/…

I updated this morning using the installer tool available at that link. If you're running the tool on the computer you want to upgrade, you don't need to create any media. It will do everything automatically, I think I only had to answer two questions. edit: Forgot to mention I was also on Windows 7

Will give that a try. Thanks! :)

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

#18

Post by GodKronos »

scott_karana wrote: post #15
GodKronos wrote: post #10

No offence to the poster but stealing images from a Reddit mega thread, one of which is an outlier error and the other being 2 lines of text that wasn't changed in the "help" text, does not a terrible installer make. The same thread has hundreds if not thousands of posts indicating how easy the install was, only a few people are having issues which is to be expected on a product launch. Also if you say, " I cant reme…

> The same thread has hundreds if not thousands of posts indicating how easy the install was, only a few people are having issues which is to be expected on a product launch. It's not "having outliers" that is a problem: it's how you treat them that matters. "Something happened" is not useful a useful message to anyone: not the end-user, nor Microsoft. Imagine being the poor dev having to troubleshoot problems based…

I agree to certain degree that it is how you treat the outliers. However 1) they are outliers for a reason: they happen to a very small subset of users. Its not as if every other person is having this error, that particular image was up-voted because it is a hilarious error to have not because it was happening to the majority of people. You can't plan for every eventuality which brings me to point 2) it would ludicrous to assume that every single issue is taken into account and that every install will go exactly as planned. With something as big as a new OS launch things are going to go wrong, that's just the way it works. If you can find me a company that has everything exactly perfect at launch with a product as big as Windows 10 with no errors I would be very impressed to see it.

I'm not trying to Microsoft "fan-boy" or come off in that manner, it's just silly to me that people are bashing Microsoft (or any company) for things not going PERFECTLY on launch day. It comes off as childish IMO.

Re: Windows 10's terrible installer

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Post by scott_karana »

GodKronos wrote: post #18
scott_karana wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The same thread has hundreds if not thousands of posts indicating how easy the install was, only a few people are having issues which is to be expected on a product launch. It's not "having outliers" that is a problem: it's how you treat them that matters. "Something happened" is not useful a useful message to anyone: not the end-user, nor Microsoft. Imagine being the poor dev having to troubleshoot problems based…

I agree to certain degree that it is how you treat the outliers. However 1) they are outliers for a reason: they happen to a very small subset of users. Its not as if every other person is having this error, that particular image was up-voted because it is a hilarious error to have not because it was happening to the majority of people. You can't plan for every eventuality which brings me to point 2) it would ludicro…

Yeah, I agree with everything you said.

I didn't agree with the tone of the article, but "Something happened" is a poor error message, and I feel bad for the devs who put so much work into an otherwise well-received launch to be stymied by their own coworker's uninformative error dialogues! ;)

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