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Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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> We're more than happy to ban guns, while they're not even close to as dangerous as swimming pools. What? Guns cause over 3 times as many deaths as drowning.

Not to mention that guns are actually meant to kill things (usually; some guns aren't, even if they're still capable of doing so), unlike pretty much all swimming pools (that I know of; I'd be concerned if there were swimming pools designed to kill things). Comparing pools to guns (or cigarettes, for that matter) is a stretch on the scale of at least 27 slinkies.

This is a valid point. You can't really compare purposeful murders to accidental deaths.

It would be like comparing kids injured while jumping on a trampoline to kids injured while being beaten by an abusive adult.

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When I was 11, I had just discovered I could kind-of swim and somehow decided to try swimming across a rather large lake. By the time I realized that was a dumb idea, I was halfway across. I collapsed from exhaustion and threw up several times after I (somehow) got across.

When I was a teenager I was in Boy Scouts. Every year we went to a summer camp that was on the edge of a large pond [1]. And one of the strictest rules there was that you were not allowed in the water until you'd passed the swimming competency test (and you had to pass it again every single year), and the main swimming test was that you had to swim laps in their roped-off section of the lake without pausing until you…

Took my young son to a cub scout camp this summer. The swim test was just as grueling. My son didn't pass at all even though he has had swim lessons and can swim. He was just too nervous at the testing aspect of it.

I swam two out of two and a half laps, but I didn't pace myself well enough, and I ended up having to stop. Partially, I was out of breath, partially, my shoulder was bothering me due to a healed fracture from a car accident last fall. First time I had done any significant amount of swimming since then and didn't realize how far from 100% I was. Was a bit embarrassing getting the "beginner" swim label, but I had to be a good role model and take my lumps.

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Having guarded for several years at a popular club (and having had one of only two requires saves at the club in my tenure) I can tell you this isn't true. I will allow that their parents should pay closer attention (or attention at all). Fatigue sets in quickly (and sometimes almost instantly). In my case it was a young girl who was a fine swimmer (on the swim team) and had been playing in the pool all day on a hot…

> "very much like the video, and suddenly found herself struggling to break the surface of the water." I am unable to view OP's site at the moment so I'm not sure if you mean there was something on top of her. Anyway, in open water "being able to swim" should include a "rescue/recovery float" ability. AKA, the ability to float indefinitely with little or no expended effort (ideally no effort at all, but some people h…

> I am unable to view OP's site at the moment so I'm not sure if you mean there was something on top of her.

No, there was no flotation device blocking the surface in any of the videos.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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I would like to point out that any flotation device in a pool besides a life jacket is just asking for problems. I life-guarded for almost 10 years, the only way I would ever let anything that supported a human floating __besides__ an approved life jacket was if the pool was almost empty (such that the one person got my undivided attention) and if I knew the child to already be a strong swimmer. I highly encourage ev…

At family pool parties I had a cousin who thought it was a fun game to try to trap me underneath a raft to prevent me from surfacing for air. He was 12, I was 8. Fun times. Learned how to hold my breath, that's for sure.

You're lucky you never drowned.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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I would like to point out that any flotation device in a pool besides a life jacket is just asking for problems. I life-guarded for almost 10 years, the only way I would ever let anything that supported a human floating __besides__ an approved life jacket was if the pool was almost empty (such that the one person got my undivided attention) and if I knew the child to already be a strong swimmer. I highly encourage ev…

water wings are also terrible at teaching kids to swim: they can't properly use their arms wearing wings. I had both my kids (currently 3 and 5) learn to swim by having them wear inflatable vests. When they started they had fully inflated vests. every week or so I would deflate it bit by bit, until they are wearing a fully deflated vest. At that point the vest is just for emotional support, and they can pretty much h…

When we put both my young kids through swim lessons, they were taught with "bubbles", little foam blocks that are strapped to the middle of the back, and the number of bubbles are reduced as their proficiency increases. That left their arms and chest free to work on actual swimming form. When working on kicks, they held on to little floating dumbell bars.

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I was tempted to go on a diatribe about your comment, but I'll leave it at this: my job was to guard lives, not provide entertainment. Nobody died, which gave every person I guarded the opportunity to pursue an anti-boring life in whatever way they see fit.

I'm not saying you drew the line in the wrong place, as I know nothing about the subject, but surely you could also close the pool so nobody can use it for the same reason of "saving lives, not providing entertainment"

Well no, I couldn't. I was paid to run the pool, not close it.

There are a lot of ways to have fun at a pool without flotation devices that endanger lives. I can provide a list if you'd like.

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Why did you swim against a rip current?

> normal to the rip tide as an engineer, I assumed this ('normal') meant across/perpendicular/90 degrees to the rip tide, not against it ... I believe 90 degrees to a rip tide is the correct thing to do ...

Yes, that's what they meant. Rip tides aren't usually that wide. The best thing to do if you get caught in one is to remain calm and swim perpendicular to the current.

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Once we did rafting and our monitor guy told us: when you fall into the water and find yourself under the boat, just don't panic. Don't try to move your head up but rather chose whatever direction and swim until you reach the either side. We thought it would never happen, but we ended up few times in the water just like just like that. And even though it's just a few seconds you are quite disoriented and at first tim…

Sounds like an easy thing to practice? Go to a pool with a boat, dive under the boat, and practice getting out. Like people who do kayaking practice how to get out when the kayak turns upside down.

Having done whitewater kayaking for a long time I cannot stress this enough. You need to practice being under water with being denied surfacing even if you strongly want to.

Once you are calm, you can orient yourself by observing air bubbles for example, even in turbulent water.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

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as an aside - there's actually multiple videos (not sure how many), so you can play repeatedly

27. Videos are hosted on youtube channel ( https://www.youtube.com/user/LifeguardRescue11/videos ), so you can easily watch them in sequence.

There's only 6 used by the game thus far: https://github.com/FrankSalad/spot-the-drowning-child/blob/1...
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