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Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably you have to do an in-place upgrade if you use these? I can't see any mention of what key I am supposed to use (from the reservation tool) if I want to do a fresh install.

From what I understand you have to first do an in-place upgrade, which then gives you access to your license key (via Windows system info or something similar). You can then use that to do a clean install. EDIT I've just read contradictory information here; http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/media-creation... If you upgraded to Windows 10 on this PC by taking advantage of the free upgrade offer and success…

Its a Microsoft workaround to the ECJ Oracle decision ( http://www.computerworld.com/article/2505356/it-management/e... )

This ruling legitimized trading OEM Windows keys. You could go to your recycling center and get $5 fully legit Win 7/8 license. It will take another court case to overrule license tied to particular hardware gimmick.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #159

In case there are people wondering I am using Windows 10 Pro x64 and did the following - Downloaded ISO using the media creation tool at [1] then did an upgrade from 8.1 to 10 which complete just fine. I then booted from the USB drive I just made, did a diskpart clean on the only drive in the machine then did a clean install. When prompted for a product key I pressed skip then when asked again during the out-of-box e…

Any idea what would happen then if you skip the upgrade 7/8 -> 10 and start with clean install? You need a key anyway? The same key as for Windows 7?

I have read online (but not verified myself) than using a Windows 7 or 8/8.1 key works. This might be true or it might be misinformation. The upgrade only took 10 minutes so I did it that way with the plan to always wipe and clean install after. I decided to just jump through the MS hoops of doing it 'their way' and it all seemed to work just fine.

According to Gabe Aul's tweet [1] it looks like they do associate the device id/hardware hash so there is no need for a product key when doing a clean install once upgraded.

[1] https://twitter.com/GabeAul/status/605900073277325312

Edit: I just tried using an 8.1 Pro key on a clean install and it did not accept it.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #72
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the specs in the section "Feature deprecation" ( http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specificat... ) Microsoft mentions that removal and that eligible Windows versions will get a free DVD player app after the Upgrade.

Has anybody seen that Microsoft's free DVD player app for Windows 10? What's actually "a limited time (the “eligible period”)" they talk about? (all the quotes from your link http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specificat... ): "For a limited time (the “eligible period”), on systems upgraded to Windows 10 from one of these older versions of Windows (a “qualified system”), a DVD playback app (“windows DV…

Probably the one year free upgrade window.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

#174
post #93

I've been on the "insider preview" for a few weeks now, and I must say that I think Windows 10 is an absolutely amazing OS. Definitely the best Windows I've ever used. Also the best desktop OS I've ever used, but I hope you'll believe me about the "best Windows" even if you can't imagine why a developer would possible want to run something other than $YOUR_FAVOURITE_UNIX. If Windows 10 is as well-received as I expect…

My experience has been the opposite. To me Windows 10 is the continuation of the 8/8.1 trainwreck, with the ridiculous Metro skins, a broken start menu, the half-assed fragmentation of the UIs into Metro/non-Metro, ham-handed app store/online services integrations, and various new features that do not work. I'll be going back to Windows 7, in which at least the UI works. And really, the only thing keeping me attached…

I liked Metro on Windows 8, despite it's rough edges. Just needed to get used to it, that's all. I could get to any part of the OS in a few key presses. If it's a tile on the desktop itself, arrow keys, enter, done. If not, win-key + type first few letters, arrow keys, enter, done.

I cannot understand how people like the tiny start button and menus and right-clicks and multi-level navigation in the old Windows UI. I used to overcome that by simply having shortcuts to the applications I used most on the desktop. Metro with its large tiles for those same applications was a much better fit for that.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

#175
post #93

I've been on the "insider preview" for a few weeks now, and I must say that I think Windows 10 is an absolutely amazing OS. Definitely the best Windows I've ever used. Also the best desktop OS I've ever used, but I hope you'll believe me about the "best Windows" even if you can't imagine why a developer would possible want to run something other than $YOUR_FAVOURITE_UNIX. If Windows 10 is as well-received as I expect…

My experience has been the opposite. To me Windows 10 is the continuation of the 8/8.1 trainwreck, with the ridiculous Metro skins, a broken start menu, the half-assed fragmentation of the UIs into Metro/non-Metro, ham-handed app store/online services integrations, and various new features that do not work. I'll be going back to Windows 7, in which at least the UI works. And really, the only thing keeping me attached…

One thing I noticed from the tech preview I tried the other month was that whilst the press excitedly noticed new "settings" apps in parallel with the control panel and proudly announced new technologies, there is still decades of old cruft lying around. I know they have much work to do but it still feels like an operating system of many parts, all glued together.

Some issues I noticed in the preview I tried: 1. The underlying system hasn't changed (still life in COM land with the joys/distresses of the registry and cryptic UUID keys where half of the configuration is secretly stored) 2. The icons in MMC don't match anything else on the system (even the icons in Control Panel are not consistent - are they flat or should they have depth? Should they have no perspective or should they be set at a jaunty angle?) 3. Even the icons in Explorer don't match each other (my user directory doesn't match any of the icons beneath it) 4. The new Settings window is not resizable even though it is 50% white space 5. Control Panel is still there despite this new Settings window (duplication!) 6. Explorer permits you to show menus but they're actually just the tabs on a frustrating ribbon bar 7. Notebook theme issues that were introduced in Windows XP still persist (Explorer's Folder Options window has a white tab and border for the General page but the General page itself is grey; when you switch to the View and Search pages in this very same notebook those pages are white without a hint of grey; this General page is written without knowledge of theming..? plus none of the controls line up!) 8. There is still no consistent Open Dialog (Notepad uses a different Open dialog to MMC, for example; the MMC one is from about 1995, I was surprised there wasn't a briefcase on it!) 9. There appears to be no HIG for menu placement in relation to toolbars (is the menu ABOVE the toolbar or below it?; control panel menu is below the toolbar, Explorer is above, Settings app doesn't even have one), should true menubars be allowed (like in Notepad) or should they just be placeholders for ribbons (like in Explorer)?

It's all just a big ball of different GUI styles and fashions from 25+ years of fashions, windowing toolkits (yes, you can find the MFC40 and 42 DLLs in the Windows directories in this, and yes .NET is there too, but the ancient Windows API will still work fine too, plus Win32!), user-interface guidelines from different decades and generally a mess.

I will wait to see how people rate it before installing.

EDIT: I notice downvotes but no responses?? I thought my points were valid - the mishmash of libraries from decades and decades with artwork from those decades makes for a convoluted jumbled experience. You wouldn't feel comfortable in a car that had a klaxon for the horn, a handbrake outside and a gear system with no synchromesh but that sported a brand new LCD illuminated dashboard - it would feel a mishmash and a mess. This is precisely what this feels like, and something I thought they would like to jettison or at least tidy up.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #173
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has anybody seen that Microsoft's free DVD player app for Windows 10? What's actually "a limited time (the “eligible period”)" they talk about? (all the quotes from your link http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specificat... ): "For a limited time (the “eligible period”), on systems upgraded to Windows 10 from one of these older versions of Windows (a “qualified system”), a DVD playback app (“windows DV…

Probably the one year free upgrade window.

Seems to be different, nothing else mentions such limits.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #20
post #9

If your windows copy is not genuine, can you still get a free upgrade?

The update isn't available for people with group licenses (i.e. schools, large workplaces). So, no.

That only means that systems activated by pirated KMS servers will not get an update.

The real question is what happens with systems with pirated OEM certificates in motherboard firmware. IIRC this was the most reliable method of piracy for Windows 7.

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #6

Note that the upgrade will remove your Windows built-in DVD player. The right to play DVDs must be paid for every computer. You paid it when you bought the Windows 7 or 8 that you'll maybe upgrade to 10. Now the upgrade to Windows 10 takes that feature away from you. They apparently (the twitter message isn't actually the company statement) plan to return it "sometime in the future" and "if it might be free or if it…

This shouldn't be discussed.. We ALL ARE Linux/Unix Guys, Right?

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

#179
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably you have to do an in-place upgrade if you use these? I can't see any mention of what key I am supposed to use (from the reservation tool) if I want to do a fresh install.

From what I understand you have to first do an in-place upgrade, which then gives you access to your license key (via Windows system info or something similar). You can then use that to do a clean install. EDIT I've just read contradictory information here; http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-10/media-creation... If you upgraded to Windows 10 on this PC by taking advantage of the free upgrade offer and success…

> Which makes it sound like the version of Windows 10 you received as a free upgrade from Windows 7/8 will not work on any other machine than the one you first install on.

Any idea what defines a 'machine'? I gradually upgrade my PC. New video card here, new SSD there, sometimes new CPU (and possibly motherboard)

Re: Windows 10 Free Upgrade Available in 190 Countries Today

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post #6

Note that the upgrade will remove your Windows built-in DVD player. The right to play DVDs must be paid for every computer. You paid it when you bought the Windows 7 or 8 that you'll maybe upgrade to 10. Now the upgrade to Windows 10 takes that feature away from you. They apparently (the twitter message isn't actually the company statement) plan to return it "sometime in the future" and "if it might be free or if it…

Note that the upgrade will remove your Windows built-in DVD player.

Windows 8.1 had no built in DVD player. Nor did Windows 7 Starter or Basic. Further, I suspect it's a feature that the vast majority of people have never used, exactly why Microsoft decided that they wouldn't subsidize the licensing for no reason. This is a very 2002 discussion.

Not that your point isn't valid -- at least for those users who ever actually tried playing a video DVD, and who had a supporting version of Windows -- it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event.

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