Live data from Hacker News

Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

spotthedrowningchild.com

121–130 of 394 posts

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#121
post #50

Genuine question: is it about time that we start thinking about banning (most) swimming pools? Bear with me for a second. I continually hear tragic stories of them. A child drowning in front of their parents. Someone starting to drown, and accidentally drowning another person who tried to save them. Just the other day, I read a story of how at a bachelorette party the bride-to-be was jokingly pushed into a swimming p…

> Genuine question: is it about time that we start thinking about banning (most) swimming pools?

Genuine answer: no.

> We're more than happy to ban guns

Define "we".

> And as soon as autonomous cars are on the road, I'm going to be first in line to want to ban the incredibly dangerous human-driven death machines.

After we just had a WiReD article on here last week about how hilariously insecure current-generation cars are? I'm sticking to my '99 Chevy Blazer, thank you very much; if my car's outlawed, then I'd much rather be an outlaw than trapped in an incredibly dangerous computer-driven death machine (especially if you're advocating for a ban on human-driven vehicles, which implies that it would be illegal for me to take manual control of such a vehile - thus further implying a lack of physical controls and therefore an outright inability to override the computer when safety requires it).

> But cigarettes

Swimming pools, unlike cigarettes, are actually good for your body. There are numerous health benefits to swimming in general in terms of the cardiovascular activity involved without the joint damage associated with other cardio workouts like running, biking, etc.

> in reality it will be a long while before it's even plausible we'd think about putting the most basic of restrictions on them.

Define "most basic". Quite a few public pools that I've been to require children to pass swimming tests, for example (usually an ability to tread water for a given amount of time, usually a few minutes), will impose height restrictions on children, etc.

> And swimming pools might be nostalgic, but they're really death pits.

Oh please. You want to ban bicycles, too? Lots of people crash those things at sufficiently-high speeds to cause serious injury. And why stop there? Let's ban everything that might cause death. Trees can fall down and kill you, so let's ban those. Kitchen knives can result in you being cut or stabbed (either by yourself or someone else), so we should all cut our food with spoons instead. Kids jumping on trampolines might miss the trampoline on their way down, so we should ban those death machines, too, while we're at it. Planes crash and disappear all the time, so we should shut down the airlines and turn all of Earth into a no-fly zone. You might trip and fall while walking, so let's get everyone those electric wheelchair/scooter thingamajigs while mandating that everyone shall wear helmets and protective padding at all times. Children sometimes suffocate in their sleep over simple things like their blankets and beds, so we should require all babies to sleep on hard, sterile surfaces. Dogs maul children sometimes, so let's exterminate the canine species en masse.

How far down the slippery slope do you want to slide? Personally, I'd rather there be a pool at the end of the slippery slope than your proposal of hard ground.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#122

I clicked on the kid as soon as he kicked off from the wall, as he was already panicking while trying to hold on to the rope and it didn't give me points. The next one in the tidal wave pool I clicked and all it did was pause the video, and when I continued the video the kid was being rescued. I like this though, good training, for everyone.

There are a number of videos. Mine was a kid that fell off their float out towards the middle of the top third of the screen and panicked. Refreshing and force refreshing hasn't gotten me a new one (or I'm just getting similar ones and don't notice) but there's ~30 on youtube.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#123
post #22

I was most impressed by the attentiveness of the life guards. While we know someone is going to start struggling in the next 20-30 seconds they've likely been staring at the pool for several hours. They were still able to spot the victims in a huge pool almost instantly.

I was a lifeguard at a beach. I didn't have any dramatic rescues like the video, but you soon get a feeling of which kids are a little too adventurous and need keeping an eye on. Your brain soon kicks into holding your breath while watching kids swim, if one is splashing around while you start to feel uncomfortable it's time to wade in and drag them to the surface. Often for us it was the uneven sea bottom, someone t…

>hoik

I learned a new word today.

>2. To lift something up wildly.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#124
My wife and I have 4 children, she has insisted that they start lessons at a young age, and now my 9 and 7 year olds are excellent swimmers, with a 2 year old that can make it to the side if he falls in. It is absolutely terrifying to see these videos, but it helps knowing that we are doing everything we can to keep them safe.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#126
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can't we have something like those fitness bands to be worn by children while in the pool - once a person starts drowning the heartbeat and other lifesigns are changing very characteristically and that can just turn the red light on lifeguards console on.

That would probably cause a good deal of false alarms though.. people that aren't comfortable in water will have elevated heart rates every so often over normal stuff. Maybe that's not such a bad thing overall though.

My first thought was "Hey this is HN, and that's exactly what PCA is for!"

Followed shortly thereafter by "I wonder where you get/how you generate a dataset of the vital signs of drowning children..."

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#127
post #103

I would like to point out that any flotation device in a pool besides a life jacket is just asking for problems. I life-guarded for almost 10 years, the only way I would ever let anything that supported a human floating __besides__ an approved life jacket was if the pool was almost empty (such that the one person got my undivided attention) and if I knew the child to already be a strong swimmer. I highly encourage ev…

I was around four-five years old when I was first allowed into the deep pool with some float equipment. I was like a fish and liked diving. Couldn't swim though. When I jumped into the deep pool my floating equipment was pushed off. I panicked and struggled for my life until I somehow got to the side and then managed to get up by myself. And no-one noticed. I stayed away from deep water until I could swim properly.

When I was 11, I had just discovered I could kind-of swim and somehow decided to try swimming across a rather large lake. By the time I realized that was a dumb idea, I was halfway across. I collapsed from exhaustion and threw up several times after I (somehow) got across.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#128
post #50

Genuine question: is it about time that we start thinking about banning (most) swimming pools? Bear with me for a second. I continually hear tragic stories of them. A child drowning in front of their parents. Someone starting to drown, and accidentally drowning another person who tried to save them. Just the other day, I read a story of how at a bachelorette party the bride-to-be was jokingly pushed into a swimming p…

> We're more than happy to ban guns, while they're not even close to as dangerous as swimming pools. What? Guns cause over 3 times as many deaths as drowning.

Not to mention that guns are actually meant to kill things (usually; some guns aren't, even if they're still capable of doing so), unlike pretty much all swimming pools (that I know of; I'd be concerned if there were swimming pools designed to kill things). Comparing pools to guns (or cigarettes, for that matter) is a stretch on the scale of at least 27 slinkies.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#129
post #86
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

can't we have something like those fitness bands to be worn by children while in the pool - once a person starts drowning the heartbeat and other lifesigns are changing very characteristically and that can just turn the red light on lifeguards console on.

How easy is it to tell the difference between an elevated heartbeat due to imminent drowning, and an elevated heartbeat due to having fun?

Drowning can drop heart rate also. I suspect it isn't as simple to detect with low false positives as suggested.

Re: Show HN: Spot the Drowning Child

#130

I would like to point out that any flotation device in a pool besides a life jacket is just asking for problems. I life-guarded for almost 10 years, the only way I would ever let anything that supported a human floating __besides__ an approved life jacket was if the pool was almost empty (such that the one person got my undivided attention) and if I knew the child to already be a strong swimmer. I highly encourage ev…

water wings are also terrible at teaching kids to swim: they can't properly use their arms wearing wings.

I had both my kids (currently 3 and 5) learn to swim by having them wear inflatable vests. When they started they had fully inflated vests. every week or so I would deflate it bit by bit, until they are wearing a fully deflated vest. At that point the vest is just for emotional support, and they can pretty much handle the water without drowning (though still need proper lessons of course)

Post reply on HN