Who's doing this to my internet? • Hacker News Board

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by icebraining » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

eevilspock wrote: post #201

pi-err wrote: post #35

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Or it says that there's an untapped opportunity for low friction, micro-transactions instead of "ads" or full-fledged purchases on unknown websites. It's clear by now that ads are for lazy. If your plan is to monetize your site with ads, today just like 10 years ago, you lost. Edit: surprised by the negativity on her reaction for _hacker_news. She's rebuffed by the $ and time investment for a single song ("unknown we…

I've been thinking about an idea that would solve this for bloggers and other small-time publishers: Readers subscribe to a federation of publishers for, say, 10 or 20 dollars a month. They now get to consume as much as they want on those sites. After they read an article, they can click either a "worth it", "meh" or "garbage" button. At the end of the month, all subscription fees are distributed to each publisher pr…

Yeah, except I want to read, say, 6 blogs, and they'll be on four different federations, so I'd have to pay $40-80/month, which I definitively won't.

We're seeing the same problems with all the streaming platforms.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by golergka » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:50 PM UTC

hussong wrote: post #196

davedx wrote: post #88

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> They blog and write on forums about what they would like to see, but the things they write are always very, very different from what they actually do, according to the data. That's because content providers make it fucking impossible to buy their content a lot of the time! I've been looking into this here (the Netherlands) for the last 12 months or so. It is so incredibly hard to go into a pay-per-view movie servic…

Thank you for the explanation! At this point, I've given up on streaming services to watch movies. It's actually so much easier for me to just walk a couple blocks down to the video store and rent the Bluray...

There's also a particular P2P technology that can help you.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by kuyfiuyg » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:50 PM UTC

eevilspock wrote: post #201

pi-err wrote: post #35

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Or it says that there's an untapped opportunity for low friction, micro-transactions instead of "ads" or full-fledged purchases on unknown websites. It's clear by now that ads are for lazy. If your plan is to monetize your site with ads, today just like 10 years ago, you lost. Edit: surprised by the negativity on her reaction for _hacker_news. She's rebuffed by the $ and time investment for a single song ("unknown we…

I've been thinking about an idea that would solve this for bloggers and other small-time publishers: Readers subscribe to a federation of publishers for, say, 10 or 20 dollars a month. They now get to consume as much as they want on those sites. After they read an article, they can click either a "worth it", "meh" or "garbage" button. At the end of the month, all subscription fees are distributed to each publisher pr…

You're thinking of flattr, I think

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by pavel_lishin » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:51 PM UTC

72deluxe wrote: post #127

freehunter wrote: post #118

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If the only way you could get to Hacker News was over a dial-up connection, would you switch to dial-up or would you just go to a different site that loads a broadband speed? Waiting two days to then have to deal with the unpleasant experience of getting a physical CD sucks. Wait two days, then rip the CD, then move the file to your phone... or just find other music you like that can be immediately downloaded. I love…

I've done that with my entire music collection. I have only ever bought one MP3 in my entire life. The rest of it is ripped from the CDs that I have bought. If the artist has gone to the effort of recording, mixing, mastering and designing sleeve notes and documenting who took part in the process, then that's really something worth buying. If we only consider music to be as valuable as background white noise, then do…

I'll usually buy CDs at shows (since I assume more money goes to the artist), or when an artist just doesn't sell digital copies (e.g., Ladybaby).

But okay, I look at the pretty artwork once, I wonder at what exactly a producer does, and then I never, ever look at that stuff again. I buy the CD for mostly the music, which I consume via my ears.

I've literally got a stack of CDs that I purchased to get artists' music, and only keep them around for sentimental purposes. If the cats eat them all tomorrow, I'd be vaguely bummed out, but I honestly don't think they've even seen a CD laser since I ripped them the first time.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by icebraining » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:51 PM UTC

gbog wrote: post #206

kogepathic wrote: post #189

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1. Open SoundCloud 2. Open your browser's Developer Tools 3. Navigate to song page 4. Click on network tab in Developer Tools 5. Press the big play logo on the song 6. Look for the request for the MP3 file 7. Save link to computer Honestly, for a rant that detailed about how corporations are ruining the internet, I kinda expected OP to know how to save songs off SoundCloud. The worst part about this "modern web" for…

I came to say that. Don't believe in the cloud. Just own the things you like to consume more than once, just save them on your hard drive, and sync all of it on all your devices. It requires some setup and attention but it works very well. I do need all the pictures of my family on all my devices, I don't need them on a cloud. Same for the music I love.

"The cloud" is many things. A streaming service is clearly flaky; a storage service like S3 or Nearline where you can put an encrypted offsite copy of your files is helpful, despite both being "cloud" services.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by protomyth » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:54 PM UTC

yebyen wrote: post #21

deanCommie wrote: post #13

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And since when is $1.50 "a lot" to pay for a song when the standard going rate for a song on iTune is 99cents?

50% more? iTunes is a premium service. Buy songs a-la-carte at $0.99 and pay more than you would for the whole physical album. Or am I out of touch? Back when I was buying music you could get CDs for $10 or a little more, and they usually had at least 10 songs on them... It is a lot. Record companies don't want you to buy online, they want you to prop up their traditional multi-middleman distribution schemes, so they…

How is "iTunes is a premium service"? Its claim to fame is what you said, being able to buy songs at $0.99. Its more a bargain basement service.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by rndmize » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:54 PM UTC

golergka wrote: post #52

Users. Users always talk that they would love to pay. The problem is, they never do. They blog and write on forums about what they would like to see, but the things they write are always very, very different from what they actually do, according to the data. You remember how in this whole Reddit debacle Pao said that "most of users don't really care about this scandal" and got downvoted to hell? It could very well be…

I'd consider myself a lurker most of the time and I tend to express myself more through actions than posting on the web. In this case, I already do pay - I have a subscription to DI.fm, and was actively looking for something similar on Soundcloud when they rolled out the ads. Unfortunately, as there isn't anything, I've simply started using Soundcloud less in favor of DI.

This isn't the first time I've been frustrated with Soundcloud either. I listen to a variety of electronica that's often hard enough to buy that I was searching for stuff on youtube and bookmarking before I started using Soundcloud. It was only after some months of use and I sizable list of favorites that I found songs on Soundcloud could just disappear from my list with no warning and nothing left behind - which means if I can't remember the name of the song of spend an hour searching, I'm unlikely to find it again. At least with my youtube bookmarks the title and artist are never lost, even if the video is taken down. (I contacted their support about this and got a positive response, but its been a couple months this has happened at least twice since then.)

So for me, at least, Soundcloud is on its way out. And that's really disappointing, because I think on the whole they have a great platform.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by eevilspock » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:56 PM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #211

eevilspock wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been thinking about an idea that would solve this for bloggers and other small-time publishers: Readers subscribe to a federation of publishers for, say, 10 or 20 dollars a month. They now get to consume as much as they want on those sites. After they read an article, they can click either a "worth it", "meh" or "garbage" button. At the end of the month, all subscription fees are distributed to each publisher pr…

Yeah, except I want to read, say, 6 blogs, and they'll be on four different federations, so I'd have to pay $40-80/month, which I definitively won't. We're seeing the same problems with all the streaming platforms.

We can all handle 3 or 4 subscriptions. The dollar amount I came up with was an example. A small federation might charge $1. The invisible hand of the free market decides. The federation would fail if it charged more than the amount of good content it produced. An author could also syndicate her/his content to more than one federation.

If we're not willing to pay for good content, i.e. the writer's livelihood, then we're all fucked. If you read my other comment herein[1], you'd know we're all paying anyway, even though we are fooled into thinking it is free.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9961761

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by betenoire » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 3:57 PM UTC

eevilspock wrote: post #201

pi-err wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or it says that there's an untapped opportunity for low friction, micro-transactions instead of "ads" or full-fledged purchases on unknown websites. It's clear by now that ads are for lazy. If your plan is to monetize your site with ads, today just like 10 years ago, you lost. Edit: surprised by the negativity on her reaction for _hacker_news. She's rebuffed by the $ and time investment for a single song ("unknown we…

I've been thinking about an idea that would solve this for bloggers and other small-time publishers: Readers subscribe to a federation of publishers for, say, 10 or 20 dollars a month. They now get to consume as much as they want on those sites. After they read an article, they can click either a "worth it", "meh" or "garbage" button. At the end of the month, all subscription fees are distributed to each publisher pr…

he with the biggest voting ring wins

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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Post by brokencog » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 4:00 PM UTC

Ad's delivered via the Internet ... gee, let's see some time around 1992 I guess I recall the first of them, they got obnoxious shortly after with pop-up's and blinky text.

Which is too say nothing about today's websites has offered anything really new since the first webpage did even before that.

Twitter Revolution? not about twitter, it's about the millions who went into the streets (with and without twitter).

Cloud Sharing? In 1990 all my data was housed in the Cloud, my apps ran in the cloud and I was happy to have a slice of the VAX so I could send messages to my mate in the other computer room.

New Browser features! Yay! stuff it that the browser is already unsafe, slow and cumbersome - make it look Different and call it Better.

The point here is that the Web has always been the get rich scheme for half baked ideas ... as it ever was.

Nowhere ever has any Internet based service been free. Someone Somewhere has had to pay for all of it. The only thing "new" about what this author is pining about is for the Johnny Come Lately who entered the Internet, is they assume too much -- they assume they are entitled to a free service and shouldn't have to be bothered about how it is provided. Just like they are IRL.