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A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#71
The Snowden/spying fiasco is the biggest, ugliest black mark on Obama's legacy as President. He knew and he kept quiet and, as a former Professor of Constitutional law at Harvard he has absolutely no excuse.

Not withstanding this late, clueless response to the petition, Obama's only real way of not going down in history as the "Peeping Tom President" is to pardon Snowden before he leaves office.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#72
post #70
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"judged by a jury of his peers" During the selection process for the Boston Bomber, a jury was selected of which only people willing to sentence him to death were allowed on. Snowdon would get a similar filtration. They would filter away any techies, etc until all that's left are people who will take the governments word as gospel. Ignoring the fact that the charges he's been charged with already don't allow for fair…

What evidence is there for your jury claims?

History, mostly.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#73
post #48

This is the biggest load of horseshit I've ever read. > Since taking office, President Obama has worked with Congress to secure appropriate reforms that balance the protection of civil liberties with the ability of national security professionals to secure information vital to keep Americans safe. Yes of course he has. > Mr. Snowden's dangerous decision to steal and disclose classified information had severe conseque…

> "We have heard your voices and grievances and honestly couldn't give two shits about what you think. You have no power here."

Isn't that the answer to all petitions? Petitions are just pleas to the king. It is in the king's prerogatives to ignore them.

What you need in a democratic society is not petitions, but acts of parliament.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#74
This will continue as long as people keep alternating voting for "American Empire" Republicans and "slightly fewer wars of opportunity" Democrats. There is a point where Third Party Candidate FUD is less scary the Two Party certainty. I have reached that point.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#75
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manning was not whistleblower.

By what definition of 'whistleblower'?

As someone that exposes irregularities in government activity. Bradley Manning just dumped standard diplomatic cables. Very few of which contained information that was not "diplomacy usual"

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#76
post #70
post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"judged by a jury of his peers" During the selection process for the Boston Bomber, a jury was selected of which only people willing to sentence him to death were allowed on. Snowdon would get a similar filtration. They would filter away any techies, etc until all that's left are people who will take the governments word as gospel. Ignoring the fact that the charges he's been charged with already don't allow for fair…

What evidence is there for your jury claims?

"Most people from Eastern Massachusetts could qualify, as long as they assure lawyers and the judge that they are capable of handing out the death penalty, if the punishment is warranted."

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2014/11/06/jury-selection-...

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#77
post #31

The pervasive surveillance activities of the government are one thing; one could kind of expect it in the absence of law or a constitution. But it's not just that. The deliberate activities to undermine, weaken, and even ban encryption and the very foundations for secure communications is just plain dirty. It's clear that the thrust of these programs was never the best interest of the public, but furtherance of espio…

The Obama Administration has aggressively muzzled and prosecuted whistleblowers, possibly more than any previous president. It's remarkable that he would invite people to blow the whistle, given that sorry record.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#78
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most importantly, anyone with knowledge of jury nullification [1] would not be allowed on the jury. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

This is a real problem. I was dismissed from a DUI case last year because I felt that it was a problem that the officer had forcibly administered a blood test while at the scene (this was after the Supreme Court case). The judge and prosecutor were very vocal about the fact that they were only interested in jurors who would be content to entertain whether the accused was intoxicated, without going any further into th…

I hear his sort of comment often. I don't understand why people value "being honest to a lawyer who is obstructing justice" over "fulfilling their civil duty to serve on a jury".

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

#80
I think Snowden is a traitor. Not for releasing the information, but for going to Hong Kong (China), and then to Russia. Snowden had access to a lot more information than was released. I do not honestly think Russia would have let him stay without requiring something from him.

Taking classified/secret information to a hostile country is treason. If he had done what Ellsburg did and stayed in the United States and face a jury, I think a strong case could be made for pardoning him or for jury nullification. However, by going to China and Russia (which are actually probably more involved in monitoring and controlling Internet use by their subjects) he committed treason, and I hope he eventually gets handed back to the United States to serve a very long prison sentence.

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