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Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

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post #145

There is a lot of focus and discussion around the $1.50 figure I mentioned, and perhaps I was wrong to include it in the post. The $1.50 is not the point. I would pay $1.50. I gladly pay for Pinboard, Newsblur, The New York Times, The Economist, The New Yorker, and many other online services that provide exponential value to me. And, as I mentioned in the post, I am more than happy to pay $10 a month for SoundCloud b…

I understand what you're saying, and I agree: I pay for many services online and I'd be happy to pay for more if it meant the services I enjoy would get even better. Or wouldn't lose their souls to advertising.

But your $10/mo and my $10/mo aren't enough. It seems like the web-o-verse has spent the last twenty years desperately attempting to figure out how to charge money in a way that enough people will shell out the necessary cash. For the most part, it's been a failure. Most people seem uninterested in paying directly for digital content.

Any service built upon user-generated content -- like SoundCloud -- has an even worse path. If you charge from the start, you put up a huge barrier that will prevent people from ever using your service. But if you start changing after you've gathered up steam and have an active community, people will feel betrayed -- like you were just baiting them into using your service so you could pull the old switcheroo and force them to pay to access the community they built.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, author has rose-colored glasses. I almost thought it was a joke at first—2012 as the good ol' days? The internet ruined in the last three years? Come on.

"Septembering" should be the term for this phenomenon.

I would have thought that that would be over by now. Surely all of America is online by now already?

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#193
This is somewhat tangental, but it's tangental on a couple of points so I'll bring it up anyway.

Would someone please fix "podcasting," and maybe even RSS?

The first tangent is 2012 (or maybe 2007, I dunno time is a blur). RSS and XML were one of the Web 2.0 buzz. Blogs were exploding and there was a lot of novel writing of a type we didn't have much of before. RSS, XML, semantic web and their friends were being brought up all the time (here too) in confusing contents. I didn't really get it but I assumed other people did.

I think there was something wrong with the conceptual design of it.

Podcasting though, that was a nice little bastard of RSS and ipod. She had weird hair in weirder places, but.. I'm going to abandon this metaphor ..podcast content has been getting better and better.

It's terrible to use though. It's hard to find or share content. It's hard to subscribe, even if you know the name of the show. All the podcatchers suck.

It has a lot os stuff going for it though. It's genuinely "web." Compared to youtube or any other centralized internet media. Anyone can host their own audio files and broadcast the feed. Apple, Sound cloud or whoever makes an app using podcast content can access all the content. They can filter, sensor and display it how they see fit. This could be great for competition, freedom of speech.

Why do all the apps suck? Why is it so hard to find content. If you're below median technically, just getting from the show's site to a feed in your app is a serious challenge. I suspect the protocol is partially to blame, but I don't know.

Anyway, HN… fix it?

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#194

Another song I loved by an artist I loved was available for sale, but on a tiny third-party music distribution site I'd never heard of, and for $1.50. $1.50 is a lot to pay for a song And then OP wonders why everyone is making free services plastered with ads instead of charging.

I wonder if people give thought to the length of time it takes to learn an instrument, play it well, learn the recording process, record it well, learn the mixing process, mix it well, learn the mastering process, master it well etc. if they are willing to dismiss $1.50 as expensive for a song. In comparison, how much is a cup of coffee or a portion of chips (for us UK types)? How much is a trip to the cinema? It sho…

Point taken, but keep in mind this probably isn't the artist's only song, the sound guy's only mix, or the recording equipment's only use. What is the marginal cost of using that mixing board to do one song? How many people are buying the song? As a digital good the per-unit cost of selling the song to another person is next to nil. It's not obvious to me what a fair price is for a given piece of music, but it is obvious that if say everybody in the world bought a copy at $0.01, nobody involved in the production would be going hungry.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#196
post #88

Users. Users always talk that they would love to pay. The problem is, they never do. They blog and write on forums about what they would like to see, but the things they write are always very, very different from what they actually do, according to the data. You remember how in this whole Reddit debacle Pao said that "most of users don't really care about this scandal" and got downvoted to hell? It could very well be…

> They blog and write on forums about what they would like to see, but the things they write are always very, very different from what they actually do, according to the data. That's because content providers make it fucking impossible to buy their content a lot of the time! I've been looking into this here (the Netherlands) for the last 12 months or so. It is so incredibly hard to go into a pay-per-view movie servic…

Thank you for the explanation! At this point, I've given up on streaming services to watch movies. It's actually so much easier for me to just walk a couple blocks down to the video store and rent the Bluray...

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can already set up a website using a "website builder" which hosts it for a couple of bucks and doesn't force any branding on it. A site on Squarespace costs $8/m and gives you unlimited storage and bandwidth to distribute your music; for $18 more, you get to use the ecommerce part to sell your stuff. If artists aren't doing this already, which is much less intrusive than Soundcloud/iTunes/etc, what makes you thi…

Because you said server, and the solution is serverless. $8/month is still $8/month. I'd rather that anyone who was interested in my artistry just come and get it from me, directly. Remember the aim is to eradicate the middle man entirely. You have not done this in your position.

Well, your aim is to eradicate the middle man. What I'm missing is a reason to believe that artists generally share your aim.

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#198
post #5

Really enjoyed this post, but I think some of her thoughts point to the root of the problem. > I started by trying to buy each of them separately. > $1.50 is a lot to pay for a song So she wanted to compensate each artist for the songs she loved, but only at an amount of her choosing? I'm assuming she was expecting 99 cents, so we're essentially haggling over $0.50 here. This shows why the advertising model is so pre…

To be fair, we're not haggling over 50 cents. We're haggling over 50 cents times however many songs the person plans to buy.

But still, 50 cents extra for a song that she loves and listens to all the time? Heck, we used to spend €20 on that limited 12" with that mind-blowing remix on it, just to get that one track (I'm old).

Re: Who's doing this to my internet?

#199

" There have to be business models that allow the creativity of sites like XKCD, Reddit, SoundCloud, and Tumblr, to flourish. " There, in the last sentence is the relevant insight. But, sadly, here the post stops. I must admit, for me the most relevant information was google using the computers mike through chrome. I am shocked how far companies can go and do go. I think this finally ends the discussion about google…

The "OK Google" voice feature for Chrome is opt-in, not enabled by default. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=500922#c...

Well you are a google developer.

All I can say is: use your eyes to see. And don't believe what people say or write, if what you see is different.

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