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Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by kang » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:27 PM UTC

Typical government fear mongering. The government has done a good job of convincing the common public that this is all being done for their safety though the fact it not a single terrorist has ever been caught by this. This response, albeit a small one, repeatedly reminds people that "we live in a dangerous world".

I would be criticised for being really extreme, but I would go ahead and say that on a subconscious level, the govt has instilled more fear in people than the terrorists.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by Zikes » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:29 PM UTC

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #5

> He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers -- not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime. Not sure what I was expecting.

Yep, that certainly worked out well for Chelsea Manning [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning#Detention

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:29 PM UTC

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Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by Zikes » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:29 PM UTC

Raphmedia wrote: post #9

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #5

> He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers -- not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime. Not sure what I was expecting.

I am not from the USA and have little knowledge of such legal processes. Would he really be judged by his a jury of his peers? I was under the impression that he would forever be put to jail for treason the minute he stepped on American soil.

I am from the USA, and have little knowledge of such legal processes.

That's the way they like it.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by DannyBee » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:30 PM UTC

"Published Date: Jun 09, 2013"

(Note: It had the minimum response signatures within a very short time period, too)

Thanks for writing something 2+ years ago, here's some talking points based on our current administration objectives.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by juliangregorian » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

Raphmedia wrote: post #9

uniformlyrandom wrote: post #5

> He should come home to the United States, and be judged by a jury of his peers -- not hide behind the cover of an authoritarian regime. Not sure what I was expecting.

I am not from the USA and have little knowledge of such legal processes. Would he really be judged by his a jury of his peers? I was under the impression that he would forever be put to jail for treason the minute he stepped on American soil.

It would probably be pretty similar to what happened to Chelsea Manning. Granted Manning is military and as such exempt from the due process required to citizens. However they would love to make an example of Snowden.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by bakhy » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

yes, face the consequences, like Chelsea Manning faced them, locked up for years before trial, large amounts of time in solitary confinement.

of course, whether the whistle blower actually turns him or herself over to such torture has absolutely no bearing on the constructiveness of the debate itself. that argument is merely a fascist ad hominem. something i could easily imagine Putin using, for example.

it's obvious exactly what kind of "constructive debate" on surveillance the US government wants - none.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by mark_l_watson » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:31 PM UTC

I have doubts whether Edward Snowden would get a fair open trial, with a jury of his peers. Serious doubts.

The entire Snowden affair reminds me very much of Daniel Ellsberg. At the time Ellsberg was condemed by many (especially in the military industrial complex) as a traitor but now I think that just about everyone believes that Ellsberg did a good thing for our country and society.

I think that history will look kindly at Snowden - Lisa Monaco and President Obama will be on the 'wrong side of history' on this issue. I personally believe that we can have an effective intelligence force that acts in accordance with international law and protects our rights of privacy and due process of law. The overreach by those running our intelligence operations smells like a power grab that is not in the best interests of American citizens.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by juliangregorian » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:33 PM UTC

kang wrote: post #11

Typical government fear mongering. The government has done a good job of convincing the common public that this is all being done for their safety though the fact it not a single terrorist has ever been caught by this. This response, albeit a small one, repeatedly reminds people that "we live in a dangerous world". I would be criticised for being really extreme, but I would go ahead and say that on a subconscious lev…

I would say that the government is more of a threat than terrorists.

Re: A Response to Your Petition on Edward Snowden

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Post by PopeOfNope » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 2:35 PM UTC

juliangregorian wrote: post #16

Raphmedia wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not from the USA and have little knowledge of such legal processes. Would he really be judged by his a jury of his peers? I was under the impression that he would forever be put to jail for treason the minute he stepped on American soil.

It would probably be pretty similar to what happened to Chelsea Manning. Granted Manning is military and as such exempt from the due process required to citizens. However they would love to make an example of Snowden.

> Granted Manning is military and as such exempt from the due process required to citizens.

Weev got the same treatment.