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Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#81

I stopped drinking at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't say I had a drinking problem in the way it's usually used but it was a problem because I couldn't drink any amount anymore without feeling like shit in the morning which meant I spent half the next day doing nothing because of how awful I felt. I felt drinking was a problem for two reasons. First being that I wanted to lose some weight and drinking calories…

I too stopped drinking a couple months ago, coupled with consistent exercise, and healthy eating.

I have literally never felt better than I do right now. It took a month or two before I saw the effects, but damn were they dramatic. Literally every facet of my life improved. All depression, anxiety, and ADHD disappeared. I get way more done and I'm just way happier.

I don't intend on going back to my old lifestyle. I don't regret my old lifestyle either. Good times were had. But the bad effects certainly outweighed the good.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#82

It annoys me to no end that alcohol is the primary psychoactive substance in use by the population. I don't think there's anything inherently immoral about consuming a drug to feel a certain way - to relax after work, or help cope with negative feelings. Drugs to achieve these ends are routinely prescribed. Unfortunately it's often much easier to access alcohol than any of the many other psychoactive substances, eith…

> alcohol is the primary psychoactive substance in use by the population.

No, it's caffeine. In coffee, in soda, and tea.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#83
You mean my GF? She's cruising right along, hasn't realized it's a problem just yet. I hopefully won't be there when she hits bottom and realizes that what killed both of her grandmas and poisoned her mom could possibly hurt her.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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There's a trick to drinking properly. Unfortunately, the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink. I actually think it's better to be introduced to alcohol as a child (as I was), in normal social situations rather than "let's get wasted!" throw-off-all-restraint parties (which are pretty stupid in general). Anyway, the trick is multipart: 1. Eat before you drink. Drinking on an em…

> the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink The implication here is that the rest of the world is different. My experience disagrees with this. I spent 6 months studying in Germany and did not see a significant difference vs how people drink in the US. Germans, Italians, Poles, etc. all binge drank, with the primary difference being what they consumed most of the time. When I w…

One factor is the amount consumed, and yes people sometimes drink more than they should (everywhere in the world)

The other is HOW it is consumed - and here there are significant differences around the world (not surprisingly).

It is not unusual for many younger people in northern countries (the Nordics, but also partially in the US/UK), the goal is to get drunk and pass out as quickly as possible, with minimal social interaction. While in the south it is more about socializing, dancing, etc.

That said, it is really hard to generalize - there are always exceptions.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#85

You mean my GF? She's cruising right along, hasn't realized it's a problem just yet. I hopefully won't be there when she hits bottom and realizes that what killed both of her grandmas and poisoned her mom could possibly hurt her.

Have you tried talking to her about it?

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jeez, what a guy. When I'm found dead in a room, I hope I'm holding something more manly than peppermint schnapps. "Somewhat influential halfwit logicrime found dead in hotel room, having drank himself to death. He was found on the floor with a bottle of Jack Daniels in his hand. He probably won't be missed, good riddance."

I'm sorry you feel that you have to assert your status over a dead man with performative masculinity.

He was a fag anyways.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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I started drinking in a student-life context, around the age of 23 (bit late, I guess). Everyone drank. I joined in, and it was a lot of fun.

Post-college, many of the people I knew just sort of grew out of it. Stopped getting drunk every weekend, and only drank a beer or two with a meal, or only with special meals/moments. But because I became an expat/freelancer/traveler, I kind of maintained a bar-centered, beer-centered life, and naturally ended up with friends who were the same.

It never occurred to me that this might not be 'normal' for everyone. The dynamics behind this are fascinating, but not so relevant at this point. Suffice it to say that most drinkers overestimate how much 'most people' drink.

All this was not a problem until it suddenly was. At some point I'd started drinking to relieve stress, or deal with depressive episodes, and one day I 'woke up' and realized that I'd been drinking to the point of 'being drunk' almost every single day. This was particularly shocking to me because I studied psychology and always had a fascination with addiction. So I knew about the dynamics. I was high-functioning, and doing pretty well all in all, but I didn't feel comfortable knowing that I had a 'dependency'.

It took me a full two years to actually properly get things under control again. There were four things that I believe were crucial:

1. I realized that simply thinking I might have a problematic relationship with alcohol was enough reason to treat it as one, and at the very least 'test' whether I had one. I now believe that if you're not entirely happy with your drinking habits, then that should be enough reason to try and remove that habit for a while, since there are no real downsides to sobriety, and there are definite downsides to drinking regularly. 2. I started frequenting /r/stopdrinking subreddit and #stopdrinking chat room. 3. I found for my 'down-time' drinking periods and drinking social circles: I started meditating and diving into zen buddhism, I started reading and actively doing things again that I knew made me happy in the past (without pulling significant energy and willpower, like programming does[1]), and I took time off from my drinking friends. Meditation was perhaps one of the most important things, all in all. 4. I actively looked into sources of unhappiness and stress, and did my utmost to cut them out or minimize the negative effects.

[1]: interestingly, while my 'craving' for getting drunk is almost entirely gone these days, one of the few times that I feel the pull is when get caught up in a programming project. After spending hours doing that, sometimes forgetting to eat or take a break, it's like my mind is exhausted beyond a healthy point. I'm starting to think my active coding life played a big role in my alcohol dependency issues.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#88

There's a trick to drinking properly. Unfortunately, the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink. I actually think it's better to be introduced to alcohol as a child (as I was), in normal social situations rather than "let's get wasted!" throw-off-all-restraint parties (which are pretty stupid in general). Anyway, the trick is multipart: 1. Eat before you drink. Drinking on an em…

> Unfortunately, the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink.

Binge drinking does carry risks - mostly from impaired judgement and increased vulnerability to attack.

But long term drinking everyday drinking is probably more harmful, eapecially if people aren't keeping a close eye on quantities. Most people have no idea how much alcohol is in the portion they serve themselves.

> I actually think it's better to be introduced to alcohol as a child (as I was), in normal social situations

We don't have much research around this but what we do have suggests that giving alcohol to children, even dilute wine, is probably a bad idea. Allowing them to see adults using alcohol sensibly in social situations is probably okay.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#89
Beware of the long post ahead:

Mine is a very common and uninteresting story. It is not even a cautionary tale, but I'll write it anyway to remind myself of the choices that I made and why I made them, because I think it will help me and because maybe it will help somebody else.

I used to drink when I partied with my friends, mostly on weekends and vacations. I kept it like this for almost 12 years.

5 years ago I started living with my girlfriend and drinking frequently with her and when we met our relatives; then I started to drink alone from time to time when my girlfriend was not around; then I started to get drunk every night because it helped me unwind, numb myself, forget about all my problems, release stress and fall asleep after 11-12 straight hours in front of the screen trying to meet deadlines. I had perfectly adjusted the amount of alcohol that wouldn't get me hung over or impact my performance the next day at work so I wouldn't get in trouble, and wouldn't drink a drop less nor a drop more. I even managed to stuck to that amount most weekends in order to avoid building up tolerance, and because I hated wasting my free time suffering from hang overs. I went like this for more than a year. Then I broke up with my 5-year girlfriend after a few months of maintaining a long distance relationship and realizing our life goals were not compatible any more.

I decided to stop drinking because I knew without her I'd soon find myself overdoing it (even more). I thought it wasn't going to be an easy choice to maintain, feeling depressed most of the time and still feeling at the lowest point of my life so far with not much hope of it getting much better; but, surprisingly, feeling bad about myself has been very helpful: I got drunk with about half a bottle of wine 5 times in the last 3 months (I am a little guy), only 3 of those alone, and that was all the drinking I have done since.

I do not believe in a higher power, self labeling yourself an alcoholic and get a chronic disease diagnose from anything other than a doctor, a specialized one, with enough data to produce an informed diagnostic. I don't think I can talk or think myself out of alcoholism; only action and persistence can help. I find motivation in all the things I love to do and in all the people I love and I love spending my time with. I even find motivation in my dull work because I have plenty of room and opportunity to improve and get better conditions.

I respect the 12 step program and its effectiveness as a generic solution for a significant number of people dealing with addiction. It is probably the best there is right now, but it doesn't work for everyone, not even the majority of people. I think I have a basic understanding on how addiction works and how it works differently on different kinds of people. I knew that I was in a very dangerous track of self destruction and I decided not to let the situation escalate any more when I was still in control. It took no effort at all, just the proper motivation and realizing I was only going to find misery and self hatred at the end of that road. I know I may find myself in the same situation again, and that I might not be able to get out so easily next time, if there is one. I do enjoy drinking, and I enjoy drinking alone to take the edge off; but right now I feel pretty confident about my self-discipline, and there are enough safe ways to find the comfort and relaxation I need that work for me. Healthy and non dangerous ways that make me feel better about myself instead of the opposite. I do believe in moderation and a reasonable amount of self control, and I am committed to drink even less than what I am drinking now. Like I wrote, mine is a very common story that I hope will have a common ending too, but a good one: "And he kept the drinking social and moderated, and never again used it as a crouch". Or, perhaps: "And he stopped drinking, and nobody batted an eye".

TL;DR: The drinking is not the problem, is the addiction you need to avoid. Even if you are not an addict or are in the first stages towards heavy addiction, drinking is easily replaceable with many things that can improve your life and how you feel about yourself. Do not procrastinate that decision. It is not tomorrow. It is not after the next drink, or this one. It is now. Keeping the drinking social and with moderation or not doing it at all, combined with a slight effort to find healthier enjoyable activities to occupy yourself with is a very good thing to do for yourself and to give as a present to your future self for enduring the consequences of all the mistakes you are going to keep making.

And that's my story, at least up to this point. I haven't talked to anybody about it, I know it is a drag to read or hear people talking about boring stuff like this. But still, it feels good to let it out in the open.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last job interview I went to in SF, I was offered whiskey and felt extremely pressured to drink it, mostly because I wanted the job. I've only worked at one place (out of over a dozen or more) in SV/SF that didn't have alcohol on hand and didn't drink in the office. I don't care if people drink, but when you're pushing it onto your employees and former employees, it's a huge problem, and most companies in SV/SF are b…

Same with being vegetarian/vegan. The amount of jokes ("ah,rabbit food" pointing to the salad) gets old and annoying fast. I never understood why people can't just concentrate on their own food/drinks instead of others.

I find that people always want to know why you're a vegetarian. Honestly, for me, there are a ton of reasons and many of them are not quite dinner table conversations, especially when meat-eaters are involved as it grosses them out.
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