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Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're talking about jbob2000, it's not that he was downvoted; it's that he's been hellbanned for the past 2 months.

Ah, thanks for pointing out my error. My point still stands, though with a little less rhetorical flourish.

> My point still stands, though

Seems to me this thread doesn't show denial at all. Most conclusions that people draw from particular threads are confirmation bias. That's especially true about the largely random initial state of a thread. Typically they soon fill up with comments contradicting the initial impression.

The topic of alcohol has appeared on HN many times, always generates active discussion, and never lacks for critical comments. If anything, anti-alcohol comments tend to dominate slightly.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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One immediate question is when and what constitutes a drinking problem? When is it too much. There are some medical classifications stating that one glass of wine per day constitutes alcoholism. Is that true, or does it make any sense?

There is a guideline that is used when identifying most addictions [1] since most patterns of behavior tend to be similar regardless of substance or activity that the person is addicted to.

>Another way of describing addiction is the presence of the 4 C's:

>Craving

>Loss of Control of amount or frequency of use

>Compulsion to use

>Use despite Consequences.

[1]: https://www.porticonetwork.ca/web/fundamentals-addiction-too...

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#73

A drinking problem is one where drinking contributes to you not fulfilling your responsibilities. For instance, if your job performance decreases, you get into some kind of legal trouble, or you don't pay your bills. I've used this measure to check my drinking habits.

There's such a thing as a "high-functioning alcoholic", you know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-functioning_alcoholic

What does it mean to be an alcoholic in this case? That Wikipedia page doesn't give a definition, nor does the linked NIH press release.

The college alcohol study from Harvard lists criteria, but they are all generally things that have clear negative impact. i.e. alcohol-related school problems, legal, interersonal problems. These are things that fit the traditional definition of alcoholism, i.e., "your drinking is screwing up your life". The college alcohol study also makes no mention of "high-functioning alcoholism" in either the press release or abstract, so I don't see how it's relevant to the article at all except that someone thought it lended credence to the claims.

The "high-functioning alcoholic" categorization seems really fishy to me. Somehow a person is overachieving, has no negative effects from alcohol consumption, and yet is an alcoholic? On what grounds is that claim made? Because they drink more than someone else thinks they should?

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#74
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Do not drink at all. Literally never tried alcohol at all and never wanted to. PS. I hope there are more people like me over there :)

Same here. To me, alcohol tastes like a detergent. Maybe you could get used to over time, but never had the desire to. So I am nearly 40 and have never been drunk.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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I don't drink, primarily due to religious reasons, and it's affected a lot of my work relationships, especially when working at smaller companies. Earlier in my career, Friday afternoons were more about retrospecting, process improvement, and everyone would start with a few beers.

My drinking affected the social vibe of it, and when I didn't drink, majority of people in the room would call it out. It took a lot of self-control not to cave to peer-pressure, but after a while, people respected the decision.

But it was awkward, knowing that people are a little buzzed around the close of the day, and I'm the only sober one. I feel like I've kind of had to stay away from social events because I don't drink, which is a shame because I'd love to hang out and discuss software with people, but can't really fit in socially.

I think the most important thing I'd say to drinkers is that if there's someone who doesn't drink, don't ostracize them or judge them. There's a lot of reasons why people won't drink, religious, personal, etc. And for those non-drinkers, don't go around complaining about the drinking culture, or make others feel uncomfortable. I learned that when I wasn't drinking, others thought I was silently judging them which wasn't the case at all. In the end, it boils down to the principle of not judging others and just having tolerance for one another.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#76

There's a trick to drinking properly. Unfortunately, the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink. I actually think it's better to be introduced to alcohol as a child (as I was), in normal social situations rather than "let's get wasted!" throw-off-all-restraint parties (which are pretty stupid in general). Anyway, the trick is multipart: 1. Eat before you drink. Drinking on an em…

> the USA has a culture of binge drinking, which is the absolute WRONG way to drink

The implication here is that the rest of the world is different. My experience disagrees with this. I spent 6 months studying in Germany and did not see a significant difference vs how people drink in the US. Germans, Italians, Poles, etc. all binge drank, with the primary difference being what they consumed most of the time. When I was in London, I saw plenty of Brits binge drinking as well.

It's commonly claimed that US drinking culture is different from European drinking culture. I've heard a number of people, mostly Americans complaining about our drinking culture, make claims like "Germans drink, but they don't get drunk". We're really not that different in general. Some people drink very moderately. Some people binge drink. Some people binge drink to the point of serious danger. Some people are alcoholics.

The biggest difference I see is that American culture is different with regards to youth drinking. We've made it generally illegal to drink before the age of 21, so we have a culture of expected abstention until that age. This means that youth drinking becomes largely binge drinking, because if you're going to violate the law to consume alcohol, you're probably going to do it to excess. Contrarily, even if you were interested in moderation, you aren't going to be moderately drinking often, because it's not worth the risk. So binge drinking ends up over-represented.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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I have probably 3-5 drinks per day throughout the day. We have a keg in the office and I enjoy having a beer with lunch, and maybe another in the afternoon. At night I tend to have 2 or 3 drinks. Some evenings more.

Every time I recount this, I feel like it reads like an alcoholic, but I hate getting drunk, and I don't particularly enjoy getting buzzed, and hangovers are basically not something I'm willing to deal with so I avoid them at all costs.

For me, I drink because beer and wine are lovely beverages. I've searched for other beverages that have the depth of variety and nuance of these, and I just can't find them. I find tea to be weakly flavored, kambucha is ok but not THAT interesting... soda is disgusting and bad for you.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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Lifetime non-drinker here which I guess makes me even more aware of it at times. Many things are discussed "over drinks" and after a lifetime of ordering a "Diet Coke on the Rocks" I still get odd looks.

I once ordered a virgin rum & coke. Got a laugh from the bartender :)

Great! Have to remember that one :)

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

#79

Would that be a coffee-drinking culture? I think it is a horrible culture and only serves to prop up large corporations that solely exist to evade tax and get money by providing you your daily fix of caffeine, fat, and sugar.

It's funny how tolerant and even encouraging I've found people to be around outright addiction to a substance. If it was anything other then caffeine than people would be shocked. I do love my espresso though :)

It is a little strange but then people's shock is usually related to how harmful the substance can be.

My comment was mostly in jest because at the time of posting I don't think there was one mention of the word alcohol. Plus I thought programmers were more known for their coffee use rather than alcohol.

I will also add that I have no problem with caffeine, just coffee. Drink tea. Strong, black tea, with milk.

Re: Ask HN: How's your drinking problem?

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I stopped drinking at the beginning of the year. I wouldn't say I had a drinking problem in the way it's usually used but it was a problem because I couldn't drink any amount anymore without feeling like shit in the morning which meant I spent half the next day doing nothing because of how awful I felt.

I felt drinking was a problem for two reasons. First being that I wanted to lose some weight and drinking calories was interfering with this goal, and two it was slowing down my progress and productivity. Now that I don't drink at all I have both more free time and I'm more productive because I don't have hangovers.

This all sounds awfully preachy, it's just refreshing for me to talk about it because it's something I've never done before. I've never gone this long without any alcohol since I started drinking as a teenager.

I would say there's definitely some other contributing factors to my abstinence from alcohol, but this isn't really the time or place to get into all of that.

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