Live data from Hacker News

Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

time.com

31–40 of 55 posts

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#31
>we wish to ensure we can provide a fair playing field for all participating players

By restricting access to performance enhancing drugs to those who have the connections to get around the screens that the ESL end up using to try and catch people?

Here's a radical thought: it's a fair playing field if everyone takes adderal before the match.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#32

>we wish to ensure we can provide a fair playing field for all participating players By restricting access to performance enhancing drugs to those who have the connections to get around the screens that the ESL end up using to try and catch people? Here's a radical thought: it's a fair playing field if everyone takes adderal before the match.

> Here's a radical thought: it's a fair playing field if everyone takes adderal before the match.

Is it fair though? What about people who don't want to (or can't) take adderal before a match. It's no more fair, it's just another playing field. One with more drugs rather than less.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#33
post #32

>we wish to ensure we can provide a fair playing field for all participating players By restricting access to performance enhancing drugs to those who have the connections to get around the screens that the ESL end up using to try and catch people? Here's a radical thought: it's a fair playing field if everyone takes adderal before the match.

> Here's a radical thought: it's a fair playing field if everyone takes adderal before the match. Is it fair though? What about people who don't want to (or can't) take adderal before a match. It's no more fair, it's just another playing field. One with more drugs rather than less .

It's equal opportunity, at the very least. To my mind that _is_ more fair.

...but I disagree with the idea of doping up the entire competing body, for what it's worth.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#37
post #14

I don't like the concept of word 'doping'. It is just the word which represents a chemical substance to stimulate body for a better performance. There is however such a hate in using this word. In the past even caffeine in the coffee was considered to be a doping. It is not nowadays Everybody should be allowed to use any chemical substance for himself as he wish. He should be responsible for his own action. If he des…

What if amphetamines (or some other stimulants) were to become a thing in the IT industry and that workers had no other choice to take some to meet standard performance or be unemployed? All for the benefit of the employers? That's pretty much what's going on for professional athletes... now, I wouldn't like being forced to take some drugs to be able to make a living. And if we say it's ok to do it for professional s…

> What if amphetamines (or some other stimulants) were to become a thing in the IT industry and that workers had no other choice to take some to meet standard performance or be unemployed?

That has pretty much happened already, for median skilled workers in IT. We call it coffee.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#38
post #14

I don't like the concept of word 'doping'. It is just the word which represents a chemical substance to stimulate body for a better performance. There is however such a hate in using this word. In the past even caffeine in the coffee was considered to be a doping. It is not nowadays Everybody should be allowed to use any chemical substance for himself as he wish. He should be responsible for his own action. If he des…

What if amphetamines (or some other stimulants) were to become a thing in the IT industry and that workers had no other choice to take some to meet standard performance or be unemployed? All for the benefit of the employers? That's pretty much what's going on for professional athletes... now, I wouldn't like being forced to take some drugs to be able to make a living. And if we say it's ok to do it for professional s…

> All for the benefit of the employers?

And society. Sports and jobs are different.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#39
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if amphetamines (or some other stimulants) were to become a thing in the IT industry and that workers had no other choice to take some to meet standard performance or be unemployed? All for the benefit of the employers? That's pretty much what's going on for professional athletes... now, I wouldn't like being forced to take some drugs to be able to make a living. And if we say it's ok to do it for professional s…

> All for the benefit of the employers? And society. Sports and jobs are different.

There are such things as `professional league'.

Re: Professional Video Gamers to Be Tested for Doping

#40
post #14

I don't like the concept of word 'doping'. It is just the word which represents a chemical substance to stimulate body for a better performance. There is however such a hate in using this word. In the past even caffeine in the coffee was considered to be a doping. It is not nowadays Everybody should be allowed to use any chemical substance for himself as he wish. He should be responsible for his own action. If he des…

The problem is that if health-destroying "performance enhancers" start to be seen as "acceptable" in sports, most performers will feel obligated to take them if they want to continue their careers, even if they'd normally wouldn't want to do that. It's kind of how if everyone is allowed to cheat to pass an exam, the ones that don't want to cheat (even if the exam is so hard that they could fail) would be seen as fool…

>It's kind of how if everyone is allowed to cheat to pass an exam, the ones that don't want to cheat (even if the exam is so hard that they could fail) would be seen as fools (and arguably would be fools for taking the chance to lose the exam by not cheating).

This might be less true in any field that the exam (or knowledge tested, even) is useful after the fact. Athletes who win due to doping generally have "a career" in chatshows, commentary, etc (Armstrong shows that this can happen even when caught). Alternatively, you have the folk who cheat at exams for certifications and pad resumes with paper-thin experience. It might be foolish to take the time with the learning process, but the end-result is quite different.

Post reply on HN