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actually, this feature was being exploited by spammers. a pending contact was still exportable.... so you add thousands of people, then export the list and send them email. easy way to gather targeted business email addresses that are worth money. as much as i may or may not like linkedin(i dont much), i think this little bit of info is useful when judging the reasoning behind the decision to turn it off.
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Adding fake liquidity actually removes liquidity. Imagine if you were selling your house, and I created a service that would bombard you with 10 fake potential buyers a day. You only have time to deal with 2 buyers a day. Chances are, you'll miss out on everyone who is actually interested. While LinkedIn does not intend to create fake recruitment attempts, it works out the same in the end.
But the liquidity isn't fake, hence why the firms pay recruiters rather than waiting for the actually-interested people to beat a path to their door. The jobs are real, as are the candidates willing to actually show up to an interview. If you have a job and no suitable candidates, sourcing them is a valuable service, even if a few people get annoyed by the recruiters (better by them than by the employer...) along the…
Scum that spam people are like real estate agents sponsoring the PTA meeting -- they are trolling for listings.
actually, this feature was being exploited by spammers. a pending contact was still exportable.... so you add thousands of people, then export the list and send them email. easy way to gather targeted business email addresses that are worth money. as much as i may or may not like linkedin(i dont much), i think this little bit of info is useful when judging the reasoning behind the decision to turn it off.
If that was the reason, why not just remove exporting of pending contacts?
thus, i can not explain why they went full stupid instead of just fixing the issue.
Not sure I share the experience w/LinkedIn that apparently the majority of HNers have. I get very, very few recruiter messages through LinkedIn. The ones I do get are thoughtful and do a very good job of matching skill-set, background, etc.--they have obviously read my profile and are not just fishing. This has not always been the case. I used to get the hated torrent of "I see you have 12 years of development experi…
I also have found the recruiter email to have gotten a lot better recently. As an experiment (as my startup is hiring - I wanted to see what the candidate experience might be like these days), I expanded my LinkedIn profile to trigger as many recruiter-friendly tickyboxes as possible, expecting a deluge of spam. I got about five messages, all fairly well crafted and personalised to some extent. Honestly, I get more s…
Alternate hypothesis: bad recruiters looking for software developers filter by gender...
To be honest, I've had two emails from recruiters in three years, both highly targeted to specific terms in my profile, and I nearly accepted one of the jobs. Skipping those horrible spam-magnet keywords altogether is a good start.
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As in high frequency trading, additional liquidity also equates to addition volatility. That can be good or bad, but a market needs to have enormous "stickiness" for additional liquidity to be an unalloyed benefit. Labor markets are a good example, with search costs high on both sides of the table, so maybe we grant that point. But there's relatively little evidence that recruiters actually reduce search costs, rathe…
I would argue that the job markets are incredibly sticky. With HFT, dollars are fungible and shares usually don't have a regional preference for their buyers. There also isn't a resource cost of acquiring, training, and integrating a new share into your portfolio. Recruiters typically work for for-profit businesses, that maximize returns on sales, meaning they are going to try to charge organizations slightly less th…
I don't know how you can tell what I'm factoring in or not, since I deliberately avoided this calculation. It can benefit either employees or employers, depending on elasticity / market power. In other words: you're not factoring how much faster expensive senior employees can be replaced with recent grads ;).
That said, there is also a cost to sloppy, spammy recruiting, illustrated in the other responses: it can end up increasing stickiness if enough people start ignoring all recruiting communication because it is all spam. That makes it even harder/more expensive to recruit, and grows the market for recruiters. There are some nasty incentive structures in there.
LinkedIn has never been interesting to me for anything other than looking at what past coworkers have been up to. I've never once had an experience where LinkedIn led to a job and in fact after I deleted my account my recruiter email volume dropped by an order of magnitude. I've also read that potential employers search candidates LinkedIn contacts to see if there are any existing employees and if so ask them about t…
Agreed. Even when I was actively looking for a job, LinkedIn was no help. I deleted my account years ago and have never missed it, even a little.
I think it would be a better site if it didn't focus on this networking "friends" thing? Let people pad their resume! Let them lie about their abilities? It seems like it turned into another Facebook? "
I get this daily:
"Hi ,
I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn."
From strangers? I don't know why these people want me on their professional network. As a job I listed: I manage __________ID. I am in control of it--most of the time. It's a strenuous position, but I can't get anyone to take over the job!
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But the liquidity isn't fake, hence why the firms pay recruiters rather than waiting for the actually-interested people to beat a path to their door. The jobs are real, as are the candidates willing to actually show up to an interview. If you have a job and no suitable candidates, sourcing them is a valuable service, even if a few people get annoyed by the recruiters (better by them than by the employer...) along the…
Have you ever dealt with a recruiter? Scum that spam people are like real estate agents sponsoring the PTA meeting -- they are trolling for listings.
Yes, it has led to actual, paying jobs. It takes some management on my part, but it's a lot easier than hunting around from site to site, or going to meetups, or any of that other stuff.
Do I get spammed? Sure. That's why I have a specific email account for them. Some of the spam is quite informative. I learn about openings early on, and can often find the hiring company by taking the text of the spam and searching the various job boards.
I get genuine requests, too. I take the time to respond to those just as genuinely.
For all the talk of the importance of networking around here, I'm kind of surprised at the antipathy. It's very low effort, just a few minutes a week.
I regard a lot of the complaints as symptomatic of the overall industry. I finally started going to meetups, and the signal-to-noise is just as bad, if not worse.
Are there any tools out there that can create something akin to a LinkedIn profile for static hosting? Something like Jekyll?
Part of the value that LinkedIn adds is that there is some degree of authenticity to the resumes. There are some API standards for background checks between businesses and agencies, so that could be a good place to start. You could offer authenticated profiles, where people can't lie on their resume about where they worked. Of course, LI could just implement this if you became too competitive to them.
Can you list some or are you referring to LinkedIn?
Huh. It seems I'm the only one here who finds value in LinkedIn. Yes, it has led to actual, paying jobs. It takes some management on my part, but it's a lot easier than hunting around from site to site, or going to meetups, or any of that other stuff. Do I get spammed? Sure. That's why I have a specific email account for them. Some of the spam is quite informative. I learn about openings early on, and can often find…
This would be great if it could be automated somehow: paste email to a macro job board and get links to matching posts.