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How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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Re: How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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Can you develop a big infrastructure project using agile methodologies?

I don't know anything about building an airport, but I guess you could try something. We tried to compare software to buildings for many years, maybe in a case like this the learnings from failing software projects can be somehow useful.

I'm not sure there's any evidence that "agile," in any of its many forms, had a high success rate for very complex projects.

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But is it only BER? As mentioned int the article - what about Stuttgart 21 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 ) etc.? It is possible that these sites exist as new financial "loopholes", transferring tax-money from the government to private contractors without much oversight.

The complexity of that project is extremely high. My cousin is a civil engineer in Stuttgart, and he showed me a cross-sectional diagram of the affected area and the number of considerations seemed intractably high to me. But more generally, these kinds of megaprojects go over budget in nearly every part of the world -- especially when tunneling is involved. Here in the United States, two examples are Boston's "Big D…

This one didn't go too bad. It even came in under the revised (increased) budget:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Tunnel_Project

But now they get to drain the great lakes faster for profit.

Re: How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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post #76

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I don't know anything about building an airport, but I guess you could try something. We tried to compare software to buildings for many years, maybe in a case like this the learnings from failing software projects can be somehow useful.

I'm not sure there's any evidence that "agile," in any of its many forms, had a high success rate for very complex projects.

For what it's worth, after the original monolithic plan for the Berlin airport needed to be changed there was no other grand plan but rather small teams each independently and locally applying changes on-the-go. Let's say as we see it didn't go too well.

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"At the very moment Merkel and her allies are hectoring the Greeks about their profligacy, the airport’s cost, borne by taxpayers, has tripled to €5.4 billion." So, which country does Germany want to borrow money from in order to cover the wasteful spending?

Well, Germany does not need to, as it has a balanced budget: http://www.wsj.com/articles/german-government-achieves-balan...

The calculation probably includes new debt and projected repayment options, e.g. a rising growth factor, so it's not to be taken as fact.

Re: How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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This reminds me of the immer funny David Zuelke explaining the difference between "North Germany" and "South Germany" to a group of non-Germans. It was at an after-phpDay drink a few years ago.

According to him, you can find the famous German Gründlichkeit in The South, with The North being the exact opposite. He used the Berlin airport as an example: "it was an endless failure". This was in 2011 or 2012. I wonder how strong opinionated South-Germans like him look at this today.

I think for non-Germans the difference in Gründlichkeit is probably not noticeable :)

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That's for the Amateurs, Professionals do a whole World Cup

And to get into the hall of fame, you do an Olympics.

Brazil and Russia are going to outdo this. By hosting both World Cup and Olympics within a few years.

Re: How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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The theory that is taken out of the drawer in such occasions is that the airport will have "a positive economical impact on the whole region, so the calculation isn't that simple". Sometimes it works, but in most cases it doesn't.

If "the calculation isn't that simple" how come the politicians think they can figure out the solution, but the collective hivemind of demand and offer by literally all participants of the economy cannot?

They probably don't think that

Re: How Berlin’s Futuristic Airport Became a $6B Embarrassment

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From the third paragraph: "Smoke evacuation canals designed to suck out smoke and replace it with fresh air failed to do either. In an actual fire, the inspectors determined, the main smoke vent might well implode." Assuming the inspectors were correct, the original design, at least as implemented, didn't work. While the "in accordance with the laws of physics" may be overly catty, a bit of searching around suggests…

AFAIK the smoke was pulled in at the ceiling of the floors. And then sent downwards and vented out somewhere on the side instead of on top of the building. The original design was never tested, because the building as originally designed never existed. Each addition ordered up by Schwarz required shifting passenger flows through the terminal. That meant rebuilding walls, exits, emergency lights, ventilation systems,…

IDKSAS, but wouldn't a system like this (electrically powered venting) be prone to failure in an actual fire? If power fails with side/down venting, the smoke would have no where to go.
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