TL;DR Music technology startups suck.
This is not a very HN comment even if true.
It's a brianmcconnell comment. Why should anybody act like a hive mind? His comment is quite true. I been there, done that.
How Apple Influenced The Labels To Shut Down My Music Streaming Startup
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#42It reads like a childs' (seeqpod) argument to a parent (the public @HN) trying to blame the (older, bigger, wiser) sibling (apple).
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#43Can somebody with background on the law please explain how this is or isn't an anti-competitive practice? i.e., Warner Bros sues Apple's rival at Apple's request.
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#44Can somebody with background on the law please explain how this is or isn't an anti-competitive practice? i.e., Warner Bros sues Apple's rival at Apple's request.
Because in America its only anti-competitive if you can't pay off the people who decide if it is.
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#45They were crawling the web for mp3s the same way that Google does. Though admittedly Google hides the mp3s much better nowadays then they used to. And the web is way more balkanized into all these corporate walled gardens so there are fewer free roaming mp3s on random websites as there used to be. But technically it was a search engine the same as Google.
It always bothers me that this area of the law seems to be entirely based on judges' interpretation of the purpose of a UI. A UI is illegal if it guides the user towards the illegal action. If it is possible to perform the illegal action but the user has to put in a little thought into how to accomplish it then the UI is legal. Google can't have a file-type search box with an mp3 option but if users know the right incantation they can achieve the same thing. So we have lawyers telling us how we can build UIs. It seems wrong and like a dangerous slippery slope.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, I don't think they ever were. I just wanted to be precise in my previous comment and reference the time the article is set in. Yes, there are legal monopolies, of course. But not if it's a retail product.
Of course you can have a monopoly on a retail product, how else could anyone ever introduce a new type of product to the market?
No. Monopoly is a form of market organization. Having a uniquely specific product doesn't make it a monopoly. If I introduce a new five-wheeled bicycle to the market, that doesn't mean I have a monopoly on the bicycle market.
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#47" If I could compile and debug kernel issues along with X11 X86Config files with assistance from a good friend at the QNX-based Caprica Internet in LA and the 2-person Slackware “helpdesk” on the East Coast every few days then I’d be able to continue to test NCSA webserver over SLIP and PPP to deliver electronic faxes with a web interface for the Mosaic Browser for a sugar company in Marin County to save them a few thousand a month in fax fees to China. "
How does one "debug" X11 config files? I had to do that when it hated my monitor and rubbish graphics card but that sentence appears like complete and utter rubbish.
EDIT: For clarification for those disposed to downvote, looking through an XF86 config file is not rocket science.
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#48Hint: when you start a service solving a very generic problem, you have a big chance of being outmaneuvered by a competitor.
He touches on that when he goes into his background. He worked on a project in the mid 90s that was duplicated by a competitor and sold to Yahoo. "I then moved to Sun Micro-Electronics (SME) and that’s where I learned one of my most valuable lessons. I began to build and ship the first HTTP-based (yes, this was a thing back then) stock ticker and called it DigitalTrader in 1996 ( http://goo.gl/dQzPTC ) It was built i…
This is something else. A ticker tape is a niche product (not what I would call "generic"). Also, the lesson learned is about something which is easily duplicated, and this does not have to apply (in general) to a generic product.
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#49They were crawling the web for mp3s the same way that Google does. Though admittedly Google hides the mp3s much better nowadays then they used to. And the web is way more balkanized into all these corporate walled gardens so there are fewer free roaming mp3s on random websites as there used to be. But technically it was a search engine the same as Google. It always bothers me that this area of the law seems to be ent…
Interesting point! Worth noting that I do think that this is what lawyers _really_ do. They smudge the gray area to their will, and with enough effort, they make some sort of progress towards their client's bidding. Worth noting, even with the existence of Tomahawk and youtube... and napalm indexer, soulseek, and torrentz.eu, I still felt that it was much easier to pay for Spotify than to drill through the tendrils of the Internet. I had time when I was a poor college student/post-college "adult," but I figured semi-efficiently pirating music for 20 years (yes on a 56k modem as well), I'd rather just popcorntime it and go. Where is the popcorntime for music anyway? Does Tomahawk count at this?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is not a very HN comment even if true.
It's a brianmcconnell comment. Why should anybody act like a hive mind? His comment is quite true. I been there, done that.
Yes we know, but we are supposed to not be negative here even if what is said is true :)