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Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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What bugs me is that the founders went back on the deal that was agreed upon in person.

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Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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A deal ain't a deal till its signed off. I make deals and negotiate all the time and I've negotiated thousands of times. It's a very good sign when you have a verbal agreement but you're a fool if you think that's a finished deal. It's the quick and the dead - if people are serious about a deal then they need to move quickly, wrap it up and sign it. If you are selling something (yourself, your company, shares in your…

A verbal contract is just as legally binding as a written contract. It's just that most people don't have authorized audio/video recordings of these kinds of interactions.

Unless there's a contract signed at the start that says "no verbal agreement in this process counts as a contract".

Note, that's 100% true (clarifications may stand, IANAL), but I wouldn't be surprised if the VC took steps to ensure no deal was done until the paper was signed.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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A verbal contract is just as legally binding as a written contract. It's just that most people don't have authorized audio/video recordings of these kinds of interactions.

Not all contracts... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statute_of_frauds

Wow, thanks for the link. That's really interesting. Most of those seemed like pretty obvious safety stops, except for the $500 in goods maximum. That one sort of renders verbal contracts useless in nearly all cases, unless I'm misunderstanding.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Docs were finished, a "closing dinner" was had, a handshake was made on the deal, and then AirBnb backed out. If an investor pulled that on a YC company I'm sure they would be blackballed rather quickly.

You could equally say: "Docs were finished, a "closing dinner" was had, a handshake was made on the deal, and then the investor didn't sign"

And we would be just as critical of that investor.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A deal ain't a deal till its signed off. I make deals and negotiate all the time and I've negotiated thousands of times. It's a very good sign when you have a verbal agreement but you're a fool if you think that's a finished deal. It's the quick and the dead - if people are serious about a deal then they need to move quickly, wrap it up and sign it. If you are selling something (yourself, your company, shares in your…

A verbal contract is just as legally binding as a written contract. It's just that most people don't have authorized audio/video recordings of these kinds of interactions.

Technically speaking, a recorded verbal contract isn't simply spoken word - it is a matter of record. It's just that the record is an audio file instead of a piece of paper.

About 11 years ago I did a short stint as a customer support bloke for a telco here in Australia. Recorded verbal contracts were the new fashion, and made life easier for switching phone companies. But every 'verbal' recording started with boilerplate stating that this was a recorded conversation, and constituted a contract. The content was specific points, like in a paper document. It was not a casual conversation. Things may have changed here in the meantime, but that's the way it was then.

I also think that a unilateral audio recording wouldn't stand in a lot of places, given that it's illegal in some places to record a private conversation without informing the other party.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A deal ain't a deal till its signed off. I make deals and negotiate all the time and I've negotiated thousands of times. It's a very good sign when you have a verbal agreement but you're a fool if you think that's a finished deal. It's the quick and the dead - if people are serious about a deal then they need to move quickly, wrap it up and sign it. If you are selling something (yourself, your company, shares in your…

A verbal contract is just as legally binding as a written contract. It's just that most people don't have authorized audio/video recordings of these kinds of interactions.

> A verbal contract is just as legally binding as a written contract.

This is the general principle in Common Law taught to law students in Contracts 100, but it really depends on the subject of contract and jurisdiction.

For example, many jurisdictions have legislation requiring all real property sales to be in writing. Many others require certain financial instruments or transactions to be in writing. And so on.

So while a verbal agreement may raise questions of honour and sometimes equity ("equity" as in the body of law, not the moral concept), it can often be considered non-contractual.

IANAL, TINLA.

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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Its an interesting read to hear about other investors who have missed out on deals. I actually tried investing into a startup this year and completely failed due to governmental regulations. Even though i worked my ass off saving for 2 years to have discretionary income in order to invest as i wanted to I did not meet the requirements of being an "accredited investor" and so i missed out on the funding round. I spent at least a month getting everything ready and going back and forth with the founders meeting with them emailing them back and forth to find out from a newsletter that they had closed without me. I guess until the SEC opens it up i'm shit out of luck and am better off going to a roulette table at a casino...

Re: Airbnb, My $1B Lesson

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If it's bad form for a VC to break a handshake deal, it's equally-bad for a startup too... no? Doesn't that reflect poorly upon the founders? It's so important that YC went through the effort to codify the process: http://www.ycombinator.com/handshake/

The codified "handshake" process, you'll notice, has a written step and includes a core element of contract formation: offer & acceptance.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offer_and_acceptance

IANAL, TINLA.

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