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What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by nolok »

amelius wrote: post #12

Google is a company that wants to have access to all the information in the world. But if somebody rightfully publishes some information that is sensitive to Google, look what happens...

Those two things don't overlap as much as you think they do. Just because I want all the info for myself doesn't mean I want all the info public or for everyone (no matter what I say).

In fact if getting info is getting money/an advantage/..., then wanting all of it while not wanting others to have it, and not liking yours being given away, makes total sense.

Not taking side for or against Google here (and if I did, I would be all for salaries being publicly accessible), but you can't blame them or accuse them of being hypocrite when they do what they believe makes sense for them.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by msutherl »

bakhy wrote: post #30

i hope things like this serve as a wake up call to all young talents willing to sacrifice their lives for these companies, enamored with some idealized visions of what they are and do. a company is a company. an agent for making money, first and foremost. any positive change they bring is a side-effect, and due to their ever greater power they must constantly be policed, at least by releasing unpleasant information l…

What does "making money" mean?

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by deskamess »

For some reason I was under the impression the spreadsheet was set up to detect gender/ethnicity based inequality in salaries. Not sure where I got that impression as the tweets do not mention it explicitly other than suggesting that some people asked and got increases.

At the end of the day, this is what I am curious about - was there inequality in pay, and if so, what was the difference.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by Anderkent »

HN_bias wrote: post #21

ive just discovered HN has an awful neoliberal bias, and is full of cunty fucking capitalist money obsessed techs. its a real shame you have this ignorance amongst supposedly intelligent people. as a result i wont be using it again, and i suggest you look at articles about politically sensitive subjects and watch them being removed from the front page double quick time. the comment strategy makes sure that no alterna…

'Everyone with a different opinion than me is ignorant and stupid, and the downvotes I'm getting are surely because they want to maintain their bubble and not because I'm being rude.'

You're an asshole and no one is sorry that you're gone.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by deadmik3 »

TheWoodsy wrote: post #37
yc1010 wrote: post #3

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

girl create spreadsheet > insert title, gender, salary > send to everyone > captain obvious comes along to find fluctuating salaries based on things > employees like it, bosses hate it > people send her boss bonus forms > boss rejects them (probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring) > make it sound edgy > people stop talking to her > claim sjw for pay equality

> probably because it should be a bonus based on job performance, not shit-stirring

the entire crux of the article

edit: word

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by techlibertarian »

bronxcoder wrote: post #43

I hate that wage disparity is being heralded as a gender issue. It's really a negotiating problem. My coworker and I were hired together, same position, same experience, and offered the same salary. When I was offered the position, I asked for $15,000 more and they gave it to me. My coworker didn't ask for more and is therefore now making $15,000 less than me. After six months, I asked for a raise of $5,000. He never…

It has to be for them (people who believe there is a gender pay gap) to try and make any change. There are plenty of examples where pay is different regardless of gender: sports and entertainment would be two big ones.

With sports, people are payed differently even if they fill the same position on a team. Why? They aren't the same. They bring different skillsets. It's the same with movies. The main character will make more than someone 20 spots down in the credits list. Someone with a well-known name will make even more. All of this wage difference that can occur across genders.

But with tech everyone should be paid the same if you share the same title regardless of how different you are or how much value you bring to the table.

Edit: To clarify, I have no issue with a company removing any pay difference between employees. I only have an issue with those who think paying people differently is inherently a problem.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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Post by TeMPOraL »

Kiro wrote: post #20
corin_ wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She created an internal spreadsheet allowing Googlers to add their salary information. Lots of people helped tweak the sheet adding data visualizations, comparisons, etc. Google management told her they didn't like it, she pointed out that you can't be fired for sharing salary information. Lots of colleagues were giving her "peer bonuses" for setting this up, but her manager kept blocking them, something which is app…

What's a peer bonus?

A bonus you get for doing something that helps your peers with their work, even if not directly related to your responsibilities.
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