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Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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The article format is completely busted by Twitter's display rules and made unreadable. In this case, formatting the text in a readable way would probably get you sued. Those tweets belong to Twitter now and are good for nothing else but ferrying ads. I won't have my time wasted by trying to read that crap.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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a thing bothered me yesterday and it's still bothering me today and so now i want to tell a story.

One Sunday, some former coworkers & I were bored, talking about salaries on the internal social network instance. A spreadsheet was created. we put our salaries in the sheet, realized that it was created on a public to the world spreadsheet, so I copied it to internal. I then put a form on it and posted the link to the form and the spreadsheet on my internal social network account.

It took off like wildfire.

It got reshared all over the place. People started adding pivot tables that did spreadsheet magic that highlighted not great things re: pay. I did some general housekeeping stuff to the sheet (normalizing the gender field where it could be, exchange rate stuff, that sort of thing).

More reshares.

More people adding pay.

It became a thing.

I was invited to talk to my manager on Mon or Tues. Higher up people weren't happy. She wasn't happy. Why did I do it? "Don't you know what could happen?" Nothing. It's illegal to retaliate against employees for sharing salaries. "Wellll....".

Meeting ended.

Sheet kept going.

People were thanking me for it. They were also sending me peer bonuses. here's how peer bonuses work @ former co:

If you did something good, someone peer bonuses you, you get $150 net in your next paycheck. An important thing I learned during that time: peer bonuses are rewarded at managers discretion. My manager was rejecting all of them. Wasn't sure if this would be good for the company. Wanted to see what the outcome was. Mind you once a PB is rejected, that can't be undone.

Meanwhile, one of the other people involved, a white dude (good friend I won't name, he can name himself if he wants), was also getting PBs. His weren't getting rejected. I told him mine were. He was pissed. Wanted to tell everyone what was happening. I declined. A smattering of people knew what was going on. Backchannels being what they are at former co. (lol IRC #yallknowwhoyouare), it got around. Rejecting PBs was so unheard of, ppl didn't know it was possible. There was outrage when they found out. Shock that I wasn't talking abt it. Meanwhile, spreadsheet still going, getting spread around, pointed questions being thrown at mgmt about sharing salary ranges (hahah no). Most people agreed that it was A Good Thing. PBs kept rolling in. Rejections kept rolling out. One PB eventually got approved. Way after everything died down. Because the person worded it in a way that was vary vague. Any that were outright about the spreadsheet got rejected. 7 total in the end I think?

Higher ups still pissed. Some I used to support as an exec tech would pointedly not interact w/ me anymore. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Before I left, about 5% of former co. had shared their salary on that sheet. People asked for & got equitable pay based on data in the sheet. The world didn't end. Everything didn't go up in flames because salaries got shared. But shit got better for some people.

I explicitly gave ownership of the sheet to someone else before I left so it couldn't be taken over by mgmt when I was gone (can happen).

I am thinking of this because of everyone celebrating the fact that Google put Ida B. Wells in the doodle yesterday. Ida B. Wells was great. She did stuff to affect change of such a magnitude that if I'm half the woman she was, I'm doing pretty good. I don't claim to come close, but from time to time, I do stuff that will make things better for people at the expense of the establishment. I'm a pretty big believer in justice and fairness and will fight for both if necessary. Fighting for justice & fairness INSIDE Google doesn't go over well. Salary sharing is only 1 example. Blogger porn. Real names. Many others. Shit WILL hit the fan if you tell a racist (a well documented racist) to go fuck themselves though. In defense of the racist, obvi. So sure. Rah rah, Google did an Ida B. Wells doodle. Guaranteed that if Ida Wells were alive & working at Google today, there'd be many private calendar meetings focused on "her future" there.

tl;dr the sharing of one doodle does not a bastion of support for justice and civil disobedience make.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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post #3

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

Author created a spreadsheet with her salary/few other salaries of coworkers on it, posts it to google internal social network, 5% of workers fill it out, people start asking for better salaries, managers mad, her peer bonuses (coworker endorsements that net you a small bonus) get denied, everyone mad, she left(?)

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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post #3

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

TL;DR - Erica Joy created a spreadsheet of salaries, it got shared internally at Google, apparently about 5% of total workforce filled it in.

Google has some sort of Peer Bonus scheme, Erica got lots of them but management decided to deny pretty much all of them.

She left google.

Re: What happens when you talk about salaries at Google

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post #3

Can someone please tl.dr this First we had articles spread over dozens of pages for the laugh, now we have articles split into 160char segments, grrrrrr

She created an internal spreadsheet allowing Googlers to add their salary information.

Lots of people helped tweak the sheet adding data visualizations, comparisons, etc.

Google management told her they didn't like it, she pointed out that you can't be fired for sharing salary information.

Lots of colleagues were giving her "peer bonuses" for setting this up, but her manager kept blocking them, something which is apparently unheard of to the point that most people didn't know they could be blocked.

By the time she left, 5% of staff were apparently using the sheet.

Even more TLDR: Nothing particularly happened except that Google showed they dislike colleagues talking about salaries.

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