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Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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>I don't think that it matters that this is a "cheating" site, your privacy should still be guarded and it's not fair that all these people are being exposed. What about those Tor sites that were recently busted. Yes, the content was far worse, but if we argue that usage of a site can be bad enough to warrant a loss in deserving your privacy protected, the difference between the two becomes only a difference in deter…

False equivalence. Adultery is not a crime. Trafficking in child pornography is. Nobody has a right to private criminality.

Crime or not, they're both immoral. Nobody has a right to private immoral activity.

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"the rest of society doesn't agree with you" And that is a very poor benchmark for establishing one's own morals. Let's not forget that until very recently, "the rest of society" didn't agree that homosexuals should be allowed to marry. In the not too distant past, the "rest of society" didn't agree that women should be allowed to vote, that interracial couples should be allowed to marry, and that blacks weren't cons…

The only moral principal I have articulated is that I do not think that people should do things which clearly on net add misery to the world. Let's be super clear about this: are you saying that's a bad moral principal? I have also made descriptive statements about what cheating actually does in the real world versus the people who say, "This site is cool because everyone should be in an open marriage." Which, you kn…

"The only moral principal I have articulated is that I do not think that people should do things which clearly on net add misery to the world. Let's be super clear about this: are you saying that's a bad moral principal?"

You do whatever you like, but it's worth noting that not everybody's definition of net misery is the same as yours, and to many, discreet encounters run the gamut anywhere from morally fine to morally evil, no matter how far adrift your own moral compass is from the median.

There are people using the site in ways for which I'm sure you'd approve, just as there are undoubtedly people using the site in ways for which I'm sure you wouldn't. That said, that's all irrelevant, as my only point is that getting people to agree with you isn't the high water mark for correctness. Otherwise smart people routinely agree on really dumb things, and referencing my earlier post, I'm sure that there are plenty of people who disapprove of gay marriage who would be able to put their views into similarly noble phrasings.

Also, I did not assert that everyone should be in an open marriage, or involved in polygamy. I don't care what kind of marriage you're in, or anybody else. I just don't think that "society says so" is a valid reason for allowing or disallowing other people from getting married. That same logic was being used to discriminate against interracial and gay marriages, and is currently being used to discriminate against polygamy and polyamorous marriages. None of those marriages take anything away from mine, so whatever I might personally think of people I cannot identify with, their right to marriage is no business of mine.

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As much as I admire and respect the United States and its people, I can't be but amazed by the reactions to sex stories. I have the impression that you can get away with anything, except sex. You can get away with incompetence, dilapidating tax payers' money, corruption, invasion of privacy, aggression on sovereign countries, authorizing torture, brutality, injustice. Big deal. Few care, and if they do, there are no…

I agree with you point but Petraeus was different b/c he gave classified information to his mistress. What a sucker.

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On the other hand, we have many forms of media that worship vigilantism... so this is obviously not a universally held truth.

Media are shit, they'd worship Satan if it brought them more ad impressions. But yeah, laws might be unjust, civil disobedience, yada yada. But seriously - this is not the case here. The hackers aren't a part of a social movement prepared to proudly go to jail for the case of making cheating illegal.

> The hackers aren't a part of a social movement prepared to proudly go to jail for the case of making cheating illegal.

They also aren't guided by morals at all. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that releasing this data would have massive life-ruining repercussions for both good and bad people. Applauding the hackers is incredibly naive, unfortunately that seems to be the theme of this thread.

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post #280

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And when that happens, it is the man's fault for reacting violently, or if you're particularly callous, the wife's fault for cheating. The person who reveals the truth is quite a ways down the blame list.

It's certainly the abuser's fault. But if you can avoid the situation by literally doing nothing (not leaking the info) then you might have a moral responsibility if you do it. And a lot of people think leaking would be a good thing, but they generally only think of breakups and don't consider violence.

That kind of cowardly pseudoreasoning allows those who are willing to threaten violence to get whatever they want effortlessly.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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The one group of people for whom I feel exactly no sympathy in all of this is the owners, investors and employees of AshleyMadison. Anyone who creates a site specifically to encourage and facilitate adultery deserves everything he or she gets.

I don't have problem with 'encourage and facilitate' - blame lies 100% on one committing adultery. But they deserve being hunted down by lynch mob of defrauded cheaters for that removal fee extortion.

How does that work? If I sell you a gun knowing you're going to commit murder with it, am I not also morally culpable?

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It's certainly the abuser's fault. But if you can avoid the situation by literally doing nothing (not leaking the info) then you might have a moral responsibility if you do it. And a lot of people think leaking would be a good thing, but they generally only think of breakups and don't consider violence.

That kind of cowardly pseudoreasoning allows those who are willing to threaten violence to get whatever they want effortlessly.

These are the two points:

  1. Millions of people being revealed for committing
      adultery isn't anything to rejoice about.
  2. This is not the way to handle such a situation.
Neither of these are cowardly, and neither of these give anything to people threatening violence. Outing someone to their abusive partner is clearly morally wrong.

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https://twitter.com/PreachySnow/ > Do you know what some men do when they find out their wives have been cheating? They beat them. They kill them. They don't just leave. Also, users of Ashley Madison could lose their jobs. You know, their support system that allows them to take care of their kids. Millions of people being revealed for committing adultery isn't anything to rejoice about. This is not the way to handle…

Yeah, those women knew what they were getting into. Not to be callous, but you don't marry someone who would kill you for cheating without knowing somewhere in your heart that's a possibility.
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