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Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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This is pretty much all you need to read:

Davis’s termination came less than two weeks after top IPRA officials, evaluating Davis’s job performance, accused him of “a clear bias against the police” and called him “the only supervisor at IPRA who resists making requested changes as directed by management in order to reflect the correct finding with respect to OIS,” as officer-involved shootings are known in the agency.

Since its 2007 creation, IPRA has investigated nearly 400 civilian shootings by police and found one to be unjustified.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Reading about the internal administrative process in large municipal governments is like learning about business in an alien culture.

I can't imagine a healthy, successful organization of any kind making such an inane and chilling statement:

> The spokesman said there would be no interview and sent this statement: “This is a personnel matter that would be inappropriate to address through the media, though the allegations are baseless and without merit. IPRA is committed to conducting fair, unbiased, objective, thorough and timely investigations of allegations of police misconduct and officer-involved shootings.”

> The performance evaluation covered 19 months and concluded that Davis “displays a complete lack of objectivity combined with a clear bias against the police in spite of his own lengthy police career.”

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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I think it's time we recognized that we are essentially second class citizens, after police.

They are consistently able to commit crimes without being prosecuted. They can use their position and influence to target and harass their personal enemies. When they are prosecuted for a crime, the sentencing is consistently far less than a non-LEO offender's.

And there's no more recourse for us. When a police officer shows up, there's nothing you can do, and no way to predict what will happen. If they're in the mood, you can be beaten, pepper sprayed, tazed, bitten, or shot, for any offense no matter how minor or imagined.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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This is pretty much all you need to read: Davis’s termination came less than two weeks after top IPRA officials, evaluating Davis’s job performance, accused him of “a clear bias against the police” and called him “the only supervisor at IPRA who resists making requested changes as directed by management in order to reflect the correct finding with respect to OIS,” as officer-involved shootings are known in the agency…

Can you imagine if your build process worked that way?

"Yeah, the integration tests failed 400 times, but in all but one of them, it was the test runner that was the problem."

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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This is pretty much all you need to read: Davis’s termination came less than two weeks after top IPRA officials, evaluating Davis’s job performance, accused him of “a clear bias against the police” and called him “the only supervisor at IPRA who resists making requested changes as directed by management in order to reflect the correct finding with respect to OIS,” as officer-involved shootings are known in the agency…

Can you imagine if your build process worked that way? "Yeah, the integration tests failed 400 times, but in all but one of them, it was the test runner that was the problem."

Our product killed 400 people, but we're pretty sure 399 of them deserved it.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you imagine if your build process worked that way? "Yeah, the integration tests failed 400 times, but in all but one of them, it was the test runner that was the problem."

Our product killed 400 people, but we're pretty sure 399 of them deserved it.

To be fair, that they were shot by an officer does not imply that they were killed. Of course I haven't read the statistics in detail, maybe we're only investigating these cases because they were cases where the person was killed.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Even though liberals will deny this, the main issue here is that police unions are completely out of control and have this kind of power. The Independent Police Review Authority is full of union stooges, ex-cops, etc and is designed to protect cops.

The real question is when will we start having the political will to question public sector unions? They seem to only make city services more expensive, more corrupt, and in the case of cops, lead to legalized murder.

Decent piece on how this board and the union work to protect bad cops. You just can't expect the police to police themselves.

http://www.wbez.org/news/who-polices-police-chicago-its-incr...

Now a WBEZ investigation raises questions about just how independent the agency is. City records obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request show that IPRA’s management now includes six former cops — officials who have spent most of their career in sworn law enforcement. Those include the agency’s top three leaders.

Re: Chicago fires investigator who found cops at fault in shootings

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Gonna give you guys a few quick blurbs.

First, a chief of police was interviewed on CBS News a while back. He said there are thousands upon thousands of police interactions with citizens every day but all anyone ever hears about is the one bad one that happened one time.

Second, and this might sound off-topic but I hope you get my point. I was helping a guy move, a few months back, along with one of his friends who's a rookie cop. This took place over several days. Each day, we rode in a truck a coule of miles and, along the way, he would occasionally say, "Expired plates. Expired plates." cause we couldn't go a mile without him finding one. And not just by a month or so but, in one case it was almost a year.

Which brought up racial profiling, as you could imagine. He said, "There is no race indicator on a radar gun." And "When I see something go wrong and I light it up, I can't tell who I'm pulling over, much less what race they are, until I get out of the car. And I don't care. You could look at my ticketing and arrests for the few months I've been on the job and say I do racial profiling cause most of them are [insert what you know it is] cause, from what I can tell, most of them do the things that get them tickets or arrested and put in jail."

I think of that every time I see an article, here on HN, and the comments by people trying to blame the cops for everything as if they're against us.

EDIT: As I pointed out, right away, the first two commenters entirely missed my point.

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