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Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by kardos »

Cshelton wrote: post #28

At what point does a product last "too long"? It seems that designing an expensive lamp and marketing the fact that it lasts 37 years seems kinda...dumb. First there is the issue at the business level. Returning customers are the easiest and cheapest sells...but if your customer only buys a product every 30+ years...not great for business. Then there is the technology. Why make something last that long with current t…

>First there is the issue at the business level. Returning customers are the easiest and cheapest sells...but if your customer only buys a product every 30+ years...not great for business.

This exact line of thinking has created scads of products that suffer from the opposite problem -- products that are kind of cheap and need to be repurchased every couple years, overall costing several times more than a good product would and generating several times more garbage.

> At what point does a product last "too long"? It seems that designing an expensive lamp and marketing the fact that it lasts 37 years seems kinda...dumb.

Well it is somewhat dumb because nobody believes it will last 37 years, partly because of the "everything is junk these days" effect that we've come to expect, but also because it comes with a two year warranty.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by makomk »

Cshelton wrote: post #28

At what point does a product last "too long"? It seems that designing an expensive lamp and marketing the fact that it lasts 37 years seems kinda...dumb. First there is the issue at the business level. Returning customers are the easiest and cheapest sells...but if your customer only buys a product every 30+ years...not great for business. Then there is the technology. Why make something last that long with current t…

The LEDs last 37 years (well, 154,000 hours). I have a feeling that, for example, the capacitors in the power supply won't last that long. I also notice that they only provide a 2 year limited warranty. (LED lamp lifespan tends to be limited by other components failing in general, unless you get dodgy LEDs or do something really screwy with the cooling.)

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by makomk »

Is it just me, or does this completely fail to mention the amount of lumens it produces, the wattage of the lamp, or the incandescent-equivalent rating? Basically, all the fundamental parameters you'd normally expect when buying a lamp aren't there.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by zimpenfish »

makomk wrote: post #44

Is it just me, or does this completely fail to mention the amount of lumens it produces, the wattage of the lamp, or the incandescent-equivalent rating? Basically, all the fundamental parameters you'd normally expect when buying a lamp aren't there.

"Eight LEDs provide 587lx of warm, white light for 37 years"

But that's the only reference on the page.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by myth_buster »

ohitsdom wrote: post #11

Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

Well, the tall one will go well with an Eames chair [0]. Point being there is a niche market for practical lifestyle product which may go against conventional wisdom.

[0] http://www.hermanmiller.com/products/seating/lounge-seating/...

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by zimpenfish »

Someone1234 wrote: post #26
knodi123 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a joke? I see you're new to Dyson's business model. Keep in mind, these are the guys who make a $400 fan in a niche full of $10 competitors.

And ignoring how it looks for a second, the Dyson Air Multiplier is kind of mediocre anyway (and VERY mediocre for the price point). The rest of the electric fan market has shifted over the last ten-ish years to noise-efficiency. Meaning the most air movement for the least amount of noise. So we've seen new blade shapes, smarter motor designs, enclosures that attempt to dampen the noise, and so on. And Dyson's Air Mu…

Apropos of nothing, Muji's USB desktop fan has contra-rotating blades and is amazingly quiet for the amount of air it can shift.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by freehunter »

Someone1234 wrote: post #26
knodi123 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is this a joke? I see you're new to Dyson's business model. Keep in mind, these are the guys who make a $400 fan in a niche full of $10 competitors.

And ignoring how it looks for a second, the Dyson Air Multiplier is kind of mediocre anyway (and VERY mediocre for the price point). The rest of the electric fan market has shifted over the last ten-ish years to noise-efficiency. Meaning the most air movement for the least amount of noise. So we've seen new blade shapes, smarter motor designs, enclosures that attempt to dampen the noise, and so on. And Dyson's Air Mu…

Yeah, it's getting hard to find a fan that I can run at night to cover the noise of the city. Every time I buy a fan, it's quieter and quieter, but I like loud fans to help me sleep.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by noir_lord »

freehunter wrote: post #48
Someone1234 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And ignoring how it looks for a second, the Dyson Air Multiplier is kind of mediocre anyway (and VERY mediocre for the price point). The rest of the electric fan market has shifted over the last ten-ish years to noise-efficiency. Meaning the most air movement for the least amount of noise. So we've seen new blade shapes, smarter motor designs, enclosures that attempt to dampen the noise, and so on. And Dyson's Air Mu…

Yeah, it's getting hard to find a fan that I can run at night to cover the noise of the city. Every time I buy a fan, it's quieter and quieter, but I like loud fans to help me sleep.

Punch holes in the blades with a drill.

That and (perhaps) making the pattern asymmetric should restore the noise.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Post by logfromblammo »

knodi123 wrote: post #13
ohitsdom wrote: post #11

Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

> Is this a joke? I see you're new to Dyson's business model. Keep in mind, these are the guys who make a $400 fan in a niche full of $10 competitors.

This is how engineers make money in an environment where most people do not understand how engineering works.

Dyson is just something of a rarity in that he's selling consumer devices to the public, rather than defense hardware to governments.

Everyone in on the "design" scam relies very heavily on the assumption that the more expensive goods work better than cheaper ones. As previously mentioned, there is no rational case to be made for buying one of these.

If my laptop computer lasted up to 37 years, I would likely still replace it after no more than 5, with another that cost half as much both in terms of initial investment and operating cost, while still offering greater capabilities.

I'd just take that $600 I might have spent on a lamp, buy Cree stock instead.

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