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Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

I am the OP. Yes, that's the same reaction I had when I first noticed it. The funny thing is, they aren't even backing their "premium LED lighting" product the same way they did for vacs, which has 5-year limited warrant. LED lighting gets only Free 2 year limited warranty, even though they claimed "37 years" of lift span based on some calculation. One might wonder, will they still be around in business after 37 years?

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#22

Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

Looking at what Flos and Artemide lamps go for, there's definitely a market at that price point. Whether it's worth it to you or me, well, probably not. But hey, you can cover a lifetime or three of petrol for the cost of a Tesla, and folks are forking over the cash left and right.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#23
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post #5

I was such a huge Dyson fan, bought a cleaner a decade ago, read his books. Had the suspicion the cleaner was crap. Lots of reviews said the same. But I convinced myself I and the others were wrong, Dyson is a genius. Some years ago I finally admitted it was expensive crap and got something else.

I bought a Dyson vacuum 5 years ago or so for 1/2 price from a clearance sale. It has been one of the best vacuums I have owned. Was it worth the original $400 price? Probably not, but for $200 I think it was a good deal.

I paid almost double that ($700 US), and it is still definitely worth it. The product does much better than any other I've used, it's easy to clean, and it takes all manner of abuse. It's one of my favorite household tools by a long stretch.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#24

Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

It looks kick-ass. That’s plenty. All the rest doesn’t matter. If you like the way this looks you gotta pay the price. (And what exactly is wrong with looking kick-ass?) I’m sure you will be able to buy some cheap imitation soon enough. If you are lucky this might even be picked up by some talented designer at Ikea and you might get a really honest and well-made imitation, not something that doesn’t even get the point of this design.

I also don’t think you ever bought an upscale lamp like this. $600 for a desk lamp is a completely middle of the road price for the category this lamp is competing in. It’s not even extraordinary. The competitors in this market segment have the same or higher prices.

For example, Elane from Serien costs roughly the same or even more and doesn’t even have any fancy heat pipes: http://serien.com/en/produkte/elane/table/

(I mean, look around the products of this brand and you will also find these technological innovations and unique materials and all that jazz that doesn’t amount to much in the end. It’s a justification game for the prices – but in the end it’s all about the looks, really. The drama of home furniture is that you can often get something decent but not very special for an ok price, but then … then you see this really cool looking thing right next to it that would add that little bit extra … but costs an order of magnitude more. I’m not sure why prices are so weird when it comes to that. I mean, someone like Ikea is sort of attacking that market and those prices in some weird way, but those upscale places still exist. And you definitely lose the uniqueness with Ikea – because their well-designed stuff will soon be everywhere.)

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

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I was such a huge Dyson fan, bought a cleaner a decade ago, read his books. Had the suspicion the cleaner was crap. Lots of reviews said the same. But I convinced myself I and the others were wrong, Dyson is a genius. Some years ago I finally admitted it was expensive crap and got something else.

The cleaner isn't horrible, it just suffers from a very opinionated design. Price wise, he'd half to cut his prices to 2/3rds what they are to make them even remotely worth it.

OTOH, Miele makes the best damned vacuums available, and doesn't bother with that whirly vortex shit. Their canisters without the optional HEPA filter meet or beat the filtration power in the Dyson Animal models; with the HEPA filter, there isn't any other brand on the market that can come close.

Disclaimer: I have a Miele, it has lasted me over ten years, and has yet to give me problems, and is the best cleaning vacuum I've ever had.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#26

Is this a joke? $600+ for a desk LED lamp? Even if current LEDs lose brightness, you could just replace the bulb every month for the next 10 years before this lamp even came close to an ROI. But I guess Dyson isn't going after the "value" market, just the cool factor.

> Is this a joke? I see you're new to Dyson's business model. Keep in mind, these are the guys who make a $400 fan in a niche full of $10 competitors.

And ignoring how it looks for a second, the Dyson Air Multiplier is kind of mediocre anyway (and VERY mediocre for the price point).

The rest of the electric fan market has shifted over the last ten-ish years to noise-efficiency. Meaning the most air movement for the least amount of noise. So we've seen new blade shapes, smarter motor designs, enclosures that attempt to dampen the noise, and so on. And Dyson's Air Multiplier could, in theory, have done well in that competition but they care more about form than function, so they stuck this tiny little motor with a higher RPM in the thing which has made it extremely loud for the amount of air that it can move.

In terms of noise-efficiency, it sounds as loud as fans from the 1990s and before.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#27
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a Dyson vacuum 5 years ago or so for 1/2 price from a clearance sale. It has been one of the best vacuums I have owned. Was it worth the original $400 price? Probably not, but for $200 I think it was a good deal.

I paid almost double that ($700 US), and it is still definitely worth it. The product does much better than any other I've used, it's easy to clean, and it takes all manner of abuse. It's one of my favorite household tools by a long stretch.

> The product does much better than any other I've used, it's easy to clean, and it takes all manor of abuse.

Dyson! It takes on all manors. It'll take on yours. ;)

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#28
At what point does a product last "too long"? It seems that designing an expensive lamp and marketing the fact that it lasts 37 years seems kinda...dumb.

First there is the issue at the business level. Returning customers are the easiest and cheapest sells...but if your customer only buys a product every 30+ years...not great for business.

Then there is the technology. Why make something last that long with current technology when in 10 years or less, something more efficient and "better" will come along.

I'm not sure many people can even keep track of a lamp over that long. Between moving, things breaking, etc.

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#29
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Heat pipes are used in laptop, desktop, GPU heatsinks and coolers. They are also commonly used in oil-pipes thru permafrost. Are they using some interesting long-life LEDs?

Probably. The heatpipes are either overkill, or these LEDs run very hot (combined 10W+ of heat). Wouldn't the metal frame of the lamp itself sufficiently cool 'normal' LEDs?

Re: Jake Dyson Lighting

#30

At what point does a product last "too long"? It seems that designing an expensive lamp and marketing the fact that it lasts 37 years seems kinda...dumb. First there is the issue at the business level. Returning customers are the easiest and cheapest sells...but if your customer only buys a product every 30+ years...not great for business. Then there is the technology. Why make something last that long with current t…

Well, one point is purely as a marketing tool. I doubt very few of these lamps will ever last 30+ years, due to moving, accidents etc, and probably dyson doesnt either. however its effective to say that in marketing.

Outside of that, people expect certain pieces of hardware to just 'work' forever. Generally they don't expect a lamp to ever 'require' an upgrade. Yes it will probably be replaced for some reason in that timespan, but not generally due to 'failure'

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