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so he is only allow to comment on news that are from places that are less sexually repressed and prudent then Algeria? Your snarky comment is really not adding anything to the conversation.

Sorry for the dealy, I submitted too many messages and was halted.

>>So Algeria, then. I must confess, I'm not really sure how to find Algerian news - is there even a free press there?

Have you tried Google? I think you'll most likely stumble on elwatan.com, liberte-algerie.com, lesoirdalgerie.com [in French].

As to whether there's free press or not.. By "free press", do you mean a country where journalists aren't harrassed by the Government, spied on, stopped in airports, have their laptops seized, etc?

Yeah, they mostly don't do that here. They're more vile than that: exerting pressure on advertisers not to advertise in certain news-papers to stress them financially. They rarely prosecute journalists, and when they do, other journalists write about it and the abuse.

I invite you to read our news-papers and make an opinion for yourself. An example would be and exchange between Le Monde and Liberté where they exchanged their cartoonists for a period of time (Plantu & Dilem). Plantu said Le Monde would never green light some of Dilem's cartoons that Liberté greenlighted because they're so politically incorrect (dark humor after tragedy, etc). Yes, he went to jail many times at one point. But he did them anyways and stayed. That's the price he paid for it to be normal.

There's also Le Matin's first man who was emprisoned after publishing a book where he talked about details on the private lives. He was sued for defamation and jailed.

It's not perfect, but we're making progress here. It's frustrating because it's not fast and I'd like the country to be much better. Same as everyone, I suppose.

Also, people here can go on forever about corruption, but don't care much what the politicians do with their lives. The newspapers don't publish names of people who aren't public figures who've done something bad not to embarrass their families. You don't have to pay for what your family members did. They'd just publish initials and age.

>I agree with you that the situation in America is ridiculous, but do you really think Algeria of all places is less sexually repressed and prurient?

That was the point. You expect more from people who have a lot.

When we look at the U.S. from here, it's amazing how a country that was born yesterday has done so much in so little time. This is something I'm actively trying to understand. This is why I study it, its structures and politics, how things work, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a perfect country work. I'm more amazed when there's a big country with so much problems and brokenness somehow still manage to work! That is the the thing.

How can a system that has a lot of problems still manage to function and make the citizen's average quality of life above average.

Still learning.

It's a shame you repeat his name.

Your argument is basically circular reasoning. You say the cultural attitude is based on the unambiguity of violating one's commitments. But the very amount of ambiguity and "wiggle room" we find in marital infidelity compared to corruption, torture, etc... is itself a product of American cultural standards.

Culture is self-reinforcing, but you didn't explain why those standards exist, you've just shown how they get perpetuated from person to person.

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Breaking marriage vows is only a extremely clear-cut example only because the massive weight Americans put on marriage vows in the first pace. The society could put less weight on them and look at cheating in a "don't be nosey, they could have an open relationship" sort of way.

Sounds crazy right? But this is closer to the level you have to look at these things.

How did American society get so there was wiggle room around torture and other war crimes? Certainly those could be a "known or should have known" attitude towards prosecuting government officials, or at least becoming a disgrace with no option but to resign. We use "wiggle room" to accept a level of criminality in the politically connected class that would give a district attorney a field day if it were committed by everyday street gangs.

There's no such thing as a legal open relationship.

Maybe there should be. I think the world would be a happier place if people who aren't naturally monogamous didn't have to pretend to be - to themselves, or to anyone else.

The space in that place is a natural sticky area for sociopaths who enjoy lying and hurting people. Making "poly" an explicit orientation would make that space smaller and save everyone a lot of confusion.

But marriage is as much about property, taxes, and inheritance as it is about sex. That's the real reason it's a binary in/out yes/no state. And it's difficult to make those elements work when there are multiple people involved.

That aside - yes, it definitely is weird that starting wars and torturing people gets by with a nod and a wink, but infidelity brings out the howler monkeys. I think the reason is because virtue in America is defined by heroic force projection, greedy accumulation of resources, and dominance over enemies and the weak.

If you look like you're doing that, it's all fine. Having sex with people you aren't married to doesn't fit into that, so it gets big downvotes for weak self-indulgence, and - most of all - for leaving you vulnerable to a counterattack on your status and reputation.