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Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by praptak » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:04 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #22

praptak wrote: post #21

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Illegal acts against people considered "deserving" is vigilantism, which is bad.

On the other hand, we have many forms of media that worship vigilantism... so this is obviously not a universally held truth.

Media are shit, they'd worship Satan if it brought them more ad impressions. But yeah, laws might be unjust, civil disobedience, yada yada. But seriously - this is not the case here. The hackers aren't a part of a social movement prepared to proudly go to jail for the case of making cheating illegal.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by itistoday2 » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:06 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #28

Asbostos wrote: post #15

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Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

Cheating is legal. Publishing people's PII is not.

Legality plays no roll in this argument. Plenty of harmless activities are illegal, and plenty of harmful activities are legal.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by cowpewter » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:07 AM UTC

sandycheeks wrote: post #5

Most private investigators must be spending their Sunday night trying to get everything they can on this. They can and will make money on this data. EDIT: Spelling

Most private investigators make all their money gathering evidence on worker's comp fraudsters for big insurance companies. My dad's been a licensed PI for over 25 years now and domestic cases are few and far between (maybe 1-2 per year) because Mrs Smith pissed off about her cheating husband doesn't have the cash that Bigco Insurance does and PIs charge by the hour. The insurance company has the cost of hiring a PI for 3-4 days so they can win fraud suits with the video evidence built into their cost structure. Unless the payout from a prenup is really big, it's not going to be worth hiring a PI to follow your husband around after work for a week.

(Sidenote: If you're ever dumb enough to try to commit worker's comp fraud, you'd better keep up the act everywhere. Don't limp pathetically to and from your car at the doctor's office, then get home and work on your car or jump on the trampoline you have in your backyard. True story.)

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by cheald » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:07 AM UTC

Asbostos wrote: post #15

simplexion wrote: post #14

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Why is it deserving of this? Genuinely interested.

Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

Your example is somewhat fallacious in that sexual assault is, in fact, criminal, and running a platform that encourages and rewards it is potentially an accessory to that crime. Hacking it may in fact be more ethically (though not necessarily legally) justifiable if its demise in fact contributes to the reduction of violence against the site's users' victims.

Cheating, morally reprehensible as it may be, is not in the same ballpark.

Regarding the "delete your information" fee, I am quite confidant that the lawyers made sure that the service sold was the deletion of your application profile, not the wiping of all traces that you ever did business with the company. To call it fraud is probably premature.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by gdubya » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:08 AM UTC

pyre wrote: post #25

philwelch wrote: post #11

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People who commit murder and suicide over their insecurities and jealousies are responsible for their own actions.

How is this any different than creating a site that is a "marketplace" for cheating on your tests/essays/whatever in University? The cheaters are responsible for their own actions, right?

because that is illegal

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by cm2187 » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:10 AM UTC

Another nail in the coffin of the confidence in the IT industry. It starts to look more like a porcupine than a coffin now.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by straik » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:10 AM UTC

ocfx wrote: post #6

Good. I hope the company goes bankrupt. People murder other people and kill themselves over shit like this.

I can´t see anything good in taking the company down. People are cheating, they always did. It's not illegal, they made a personal decision. Why is it a bad thing to run a platform for these people?

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by cheald » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:10 AM UTC

gdubya wrote: post #45

pyre wrote: post #25

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How is this any different than creating a site that is a "marketplace" for cheating on your tests/essays/whatever in University? The cheaters are responsible for their own actions, right?

because that is illegal

It's almost certainly a violation of the school's code of academic integrity, but illegal? Doubtful; nobody goes to jail for cheating on their exams.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by Asbostos » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:11 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #28

Asbostos wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

Cheating is legal. Publishing people's PII is not.

Being illegal doesn't necessarily make is more wrong. Those laws are quite peculiar to this time and country. You could say that the laws in a democracy reflect what the people feel is right and wrong, but only on a very coarse level. There are bound to be laws that the majority disagrees with, as well as actions which people agree are wrong but individual cases are so complicated the law wouldn't really be able to handle them, so they're allowed.

Re: Online Cheating Site AshleyMadison Hacked

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Post by kofejnik » Mon, Jul 20, 2015, 7:13 AM UTC

Asbostos wrote: post #15

simplexion wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it deserving of this? Genuinely interested.

Cheating can cause a lot of emotional harm. Imagine a site for people to commit minor sexual assaults and publish the pictures of the victims. That would be easier to think of as deserving of being hacked though neither is causing tangible physical harm. The article also gives the reason that they apparently falsely sold customers a "delete your information" fee without actually deleting it. That kind of fraud can on…

your morals are universal now? You're comparing legal activity between consenting adults to sexual assault, which in itself I find repulsive and worse than cheating