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Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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The part that impacted me in terms of presentation was the data:

- With 160 million packs the US transitions to renewable energy.

- With 900 million packs the world transitions to renewable energy.

- With 2 billion packs everything in the world, including transport and heating, may transition to renewable energy.

The general pitch is a classic fear mongering strategy used in sales for decades:

1. Beware, something very bad will happen to you.

2. But there is a solution.

3. I have that solution so you need to buy it from me.

In finance it is used to sell insurance, retirement, and trust products.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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It was a mediocre presentation, thanks to Musk's Muskifying it to the max. Stammering, mumbling, nervous, rushing here and there, not connected with the pace of the audience, assuming the audience understands certain terminology... oh, and having the audience wait like 45 minutes, 50 minutes (or was it over an hour, I forget) for the event to start, and not apologizing at all for making the audience wait so long. The…

Wait you think Musk doesn't value communications? I think it doesn't make sense to jump to that conclusion simply because he doesn't rehearse for PR events. I think any company that doesn't value communication as a top priority could not have made it as far as spacex or tesla. It's the reason he puts machines next to designers and programmers at both tesla and spacex. It's the reason he'll push people to work 80+ hours, because it's more efficient to have one person work 80 hours than two people at 40 due to communication/knowledge transfer efficiencies. It's the reason he has banned most acronyms at spacex. I mean I feel I could keep going on because you have to have to prioritize communications internally if any company, especially a startup, is to do well.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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While the presentation succeeds at conveying an appealing vision, it dramatically lacks substance. What is "one pixel" supposed to mean? I'm not a child. Give me square kilometers. Or how does the price compare to competitors? Maybe I'm different than most, but I actually care more about the numbers and cold facts than nicely prepared hot air.

I understand, but here's why you can't do that.. Let's look at about a 30 seconds excerpt from his intervention in Norway[0]. From 8m7 to 8m38. Now, he starts explaining the numbers at 8m7s. At 8m38, he's made his point and at that stage, you would be 'convinced'. The interviewer said "Uhuh" (you can hear the audience laugh when she says that). She didn't understand that he has already made his point. (1 kilometre² =…

> She didn't understand that he has already made his point. (1 kilometre² ==> 1GW).

I always feel Musk is a little bit too one-sided in his presentations. I mean I'm obviously on his side, and it does make sense for certain audiences to present solar as this amazing solution that is a TOTAL no-brainer... because you have to fake it 'till you make it, and if you genuinely believe that solar is an awesome (part of the) solution at the end of the road (as many do, including myself and Musk) then these white lies can be warranted. But still it irks me a bit.

For example he'll say 1 km2 is 1 GW, because 1 m2 is 1000 watts of solar energy. Here's an excerpt from McKay's (free) book Without the Hot Air, a Cambridge physicist professor wrote it and I can recommend it.

> The power of raw sunshine at midday on a cloudless day is 1000W per square metre. That’s 1000 W per m2 of area oriented towards the sun, not per m2 of land area. To get the power per m2 of land area in Britain, we must make several corrections. We need to compensate for the tilt between the sun and the land, which reduces the intensity of midday sun to about 60% of its value at the equator (figure 6.1). We also lose out because it is not midday all the time. On a cloud-free day in March or September, the ratio of the average intensity to the midday intensity is about 32%. Finally, we lose power because of cloud cover. In a typical UK location the sun shines during just 34% of daylight hours. The combined effect of these three factors and the additional compli- cation of the wobble of the seasons is that the average raw power of sunshine per square metre of south-facing roof in Britain is roughly 110 W/m2, and the average raw power of sunshine per square metre of flat ground is roughly 100 W/m2.

So you get a raw power of 100 w/m2, already an order of magnitude less. Then you take that energy and hypothetically apply PV panels to it, say averaging 20% (20% panels obviously exist but they're a bit more expensive and therefore this is already a rate that's a bit higher than today's average, but doable in the long-term) and you end up with 2% of his 1 GW per km2 in practice. (at least this is for a typical UK square metre, can be higher in a sunny US area), and only 0.5 kwh per average day per square metre of panel.

If you then add to that installation / maintenance costs, and costs of new infrastructure (from transportation to storage) and look at the inefficiencies there, it's not quite true to say 200 km2 will simply do it, hell even if you ignore all that.

With the figures above you get 100 gwh per day of electricity from 200km2 of panels (before storage or transportation). Now he said 'power the US', not 'power cars' or 'power homes' or 'power businesses', but the US, unless I missed something.

Now the US uses about 100 quadrillion BTUs, which is, rounding quite a bit, very roughly 30 million gwh per year, or about say 80k gwh per day. We just established that based on typical UK land with nice panels you get about 100 gwh on 200km2 per day. Yet he says that these panels can power the entire US? It's off by a factor of 800x. Even if you say instead of powering the US, let's power only homes, or just transportation, so you're now off by say a factor of 200x, and then you say well let's put these panels in much better circumstances than the UK, and get 4x more sunhours on average, you're still off by a factor of 50x. I'm sure I've made a few mistakes here and there but I don't think any of this order of magnitude.

Another comparison is the Topaz farm, which has about 0.12 gwh per km2 of daily average generated power. To generate the 80 thousand gwh we use every day, we'd need 664 thousand km2, not '150 to 200 km2 to power the US'. It's insanely wrong to the extent I keep double checking my numbers cause the odds are far bigger than I'm wrong, not him, but I'm not seeing any real mistakes here. Agua Caliente solar project has about (very roughly) 0.18 gwh per km2 generated daily, similar story. Huanghe solar park in China has a 0.15 daily gwh per km2 rate, similar story. Even if you consider that yes, not every single metre is covered and a bunch of other factors etc (many offset by other factors by the way), you need orders of magnitude different results to get anywhere near Musk's figure so I'm not seeing how adjusting for slightly more accurate numbers gets anywhere close to his story.

Anyway I'm not a big energy guy so I'd love for others to enlighten me. Cheers.

tl;dr I really like Musk, I'm a big fan of solar, but I think he's doing a ton of hand waving in his 'we only need xyz and we could go fully solar' to the extent it's just completely false and I've seen it too many times now. Part of that is fine because I'm of the opinion we can at times be allowed to present things better than they are to get the ball rolling and I'd love to get the solar ball rolling (faster), but there are limits.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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post #25

I don't get the "power wall". Unlike a car, a house has space for lead acid batteries. They are cheap at Costco and recyclable.

Well don't forget to a large extent it's probably about economies of scale. Lead acid may be more economical when density/weight isn't as big a concern (such as in a home), but Tesla wants to produce cheap car batteries which can't be lead acid for the goals they set for their cars, and if they have a large extra market for the car batteries they produce, they can produce them cheaper, more efficiently, at larger sca…

Two potential other things that Tesla might have up their sleeve:

Creating a product that gives car batteries a second life (and therefore a resale value when no longer suitable for use in cars). I don't think Tesla has officially commented on this but some of their competitors are explicit about this use case.

The battery in your car(s) acting like a powerwall when plugged in, so sharing software for demand management.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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Want to really dive into this? Read Duarte's Resonate (available free from the author here: http://resonate.duarte.com/ ) Same concepts, just much more in depth, with great examples.

I was genuinely interested in the topic and clicked on the link. I was met with an interface that was alien to me, as if someone went out of their way to make it unusable and semi-broken. Browsers have an established UI with a scroll bar, yet people constantly find new ways to break it. Check this page out: http://resonate.duarte.com/#!page226 Using a scroll bar to fix the decision to not use the scroll bar as the ma…

Totally agreed and oh so ironic that a guide to presenting had me leave 15 seconds in due to the way the information was presented.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

#36
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Present problem, measurable impact of problem. Present solution, and measurable impact of solution. Have done enough initially to show that is feasible. Fantastic.

I see it more in storytelling terms: the existing hell, the seed of hope, the promised land, the hero's path, the hero made real. It's not so much about the consistency of the storyline itself but instead the emotions which develop in the audience as the story is told.

While I think the steps in the article make emotional sense, I didn't think Elon's powerwall presentation was all that well done. For example the "seed of hope" came across more as a "seed of desperation." He didn't really explain why we're now _able_ to make progress, in a way we haven't been able to in the past. (The audience at Elon's presentation also seemed rather irrationally exuberant, excited for some reason other than presentation itself.)

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

#37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well don't forget to a large extent it's probably about economies of scale. Lead acid may be more economical when density/weight isn't as big a concern (such as in a home), but Tesla wants to produce cheap car batteries which can't be lead acid for the goals they set for their cars, and if they have a large extra market for the car batteries they produce, they can produce them cheaper, more efficiently, at larger sca…

Two potential other things that Tesla might have up their sleeve: Creating a product that gives car batteries a second life (and therefore a resale value when no longer suitable for use in cars). I don't think Tesla has officially commented on this but some of their competitors are explicit about this use case. The battery in your car(s) acting like a powerwall when plugged in, so sharing software for demand manageme…

Yeah I've heard these things mentioned around.

Musk also explicitly said that 1/3rd of the new gigafactory's capacity will be dedicated to producing batteries for storage (e.g. the powerwall).

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

#38
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand, but here's why you can't do that.. Let's look at about a 30 seconds excerpt from his intervention in Norway[0]. From 8m7 to 8m38. Now, he starts explaining the numbers at 8m7s. At 8m38, he's made his point and at that stage, you would be 'convinced'. The interviewer said "Uhuh" (you can hear the audience laugh when she says that). She didn't understand that he has already made his point. (1 kilometre² =…

Normally, one does not pitch to the masses. So OPs point of using this as an inspiration for your pitch to a VC is misguided.

But Musk did pitch to the masses. The OP's point of using the organization and structure (problem, state of the art, necessity to change, ideal solution, show a working prototype now, call for action) of the pitch as an inspiration, not the pitch itself, is what counts.

Re: Want a better pitch? Watch Elon Musk’s presentation for the Tesla Powerwall

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post #32

It was a mediocre presentation, thanks to Musk's Muskifying it to the max. Stammering, mumbling, nervous, rushing here and there, not connected with the pace of the audience, assuming the audience understands certain terminology... oh, and having the audience wait like 45 minutes, 50 minutes (or was it over an hour, I forget) for the event to start, and not apologizing at all for making the audience wait so long. The…

Wait you think Musk doesn't value communications? I think it doesn't make sense to jump to that conclusion simply because he doesn't rehearse for PR events. I think any company that doesn't value communication as a top priority could not have made it as far as spacex or tesla. It's the reason he puts machines next to designers and programmers at both tesla and spacex. It's the reason he'll push people to work 80+ hou…

Tesla's communications are so screwed up and have been for so long that, yeah, I blame the CEO. The not-rehearsing-for-events is just a sideshow compared to the trainwreck of communications at Tesla. I've been a customer for two years, and a shareholder longer than that, and at Tesla the right thumb doesn't know what the right index finger is doing, let alone right hand not knowing what left hand is doing. Across the board, from the CEO to PR to IR to service centers to stores... nobody has information and it leads to a really inferior customer experience. Individuals here and there do herculean jobs trying to make up for the organizational weaknesses, but the problem is pervasive and widespread, and I blame Musk, however much he deserves credit for leading his companies to the great success they've achieved. It comes at a cost and I'd argue it's going to be a real nightmare over next two years as Tesla tries to cross the chasm from early adopters to early mainstream with the Model X and then the Model 3 vehicles.
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