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Are you using Chrome? Apparently under Safari Hangout uses much less CPU.
While I don't think you're wrong, that's just .. dumb. They're both Google's products. You would think they would put some thought into that.
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I've gotten first degree burns from an old MBP that overheated. It's like they didn't test it..
This has been an issue ever since they went unibody. A single, solid block of aluminum in direct contact with heat generating components. It's hard to believe they didn't intend the unibodies to act as heatsinks. Hasn't hurt their popularity at all, though.
Other unibodies have been okay, the retina MBP being the best so far I find at even heat dissipation.
Mac or PC, the idea that laptops should not get warm, or that you put them directly on your naked legs or something and then you complain about their heat is completely alien to me...
And yet, it's not that strange; laptop should be used on the lap, hence the name, right? High CPU usage, fine, but for regular things that should be perfectly optimized by now like watching videos or using Skype shouldn't cause as much heat as - apparently - it does.
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>Hangouts will bring just about any laptop to its knees. because Google insist on forcing their own codec and encodes in pure software bypassing hardware h264 encoder block on cpu/gpu.
They insist on forcing, for HD as someone noted earlier, an open and non-patent-encumbered codec. h.264 is great, but it is an Apple-centric solution.
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I've gotten first degree burns from an old MBP that overheated. It's like they didn't test it..
They do test it, it's just that Apple values form over function. Because of this, they run their gear with a much slimmer thermal margin.
I think the first company that builds a laptop that's easy to work on, and can guarantee supply parts for, at least 7 years, might be able to win over guys like me--who want consistancy? I want to turn it on, and do work. I don't need the fastest chip. I do want to be able to work on the devise myself. I am older, but never understood this weight thing--make it out of metal(Aluminum is fine. Use the case to disperse the heat--great! I don't care, as long as I can take out the screws, and put them back in, and they don't strip.) I have seen so many products start out great, but get too fancy. So fancy, they don't work? And can't be repaired, reasonable priced, because of the Fancyness? (Don't get me wrong, I'm still a fanboy, but they are loosing me with every new upgrade, and model.)
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My 15" Retina MBP gets extremely hot after just a few mins of waking up. I've checked the activity monitor and the CPU is barely active when this occurs. I just opened it a few minutes before writing this comment, and touching between the top of the keyboard and the screen is almost too hot to touch.
There's a handful of people in this thread reporting this experience. I'm on a late '13 15" rMBP and I don't run into these heat issues until I introduce video. Youtube, vimeo, gaming, basically anything video related and things start warming up quickly... but when I'm just browsing, no fans, no heat. (Ambient temp currently is 75f - MBP sitting on a table top, been using it for a few hours now, with a vagrant instan…
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They insist on forcing, for HD as someone noted earlier, an open and non-patent-encumbered codec. h.264 is great, but it is an Apple-centric solution.
The way I see it, H.264 is more about practicality than anything else. Hardware acceleration for it is everywhere. VP9 is great, but until there's hardware acceleration available for it, it's a bad idea to use the codec on devices where high CPU usage is undesirable.
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The way I see it, H.264 is more about practicality than anything else. Hardware acceleration for it is everywhere. VP9 is great, but until there's hardware acceleration available for it, it's a bad idea to use the codec on devices where high CPU usage is undesirable.
Codec & hardware acceleration is a chicken-and-egg problem: who would include h/w acceleration for a codec that isn't being used?
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It does! Safari is much better at battery life. But, for my use cases, it's an unusably poor browser outside of its rendering engine. My extensions don't work within it, I can't easily find equivalents, and there's no easy, good way to sync between Safari and browsers on Windows (Xmarks hosed my bookmarks so badly that I haven't yet even fixed all of them).
Overwhelmingly, I find FireFox with AdBlock and click-to-enable Flash much better than Safari without them.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9117/analyzing-intel-core-m-pe...
In summary, yes they can run fanless when idle, but under load, they will be heavily throttled due to thermal constraints.
Maybe next generation we can finally have truly fanless ultrabook-level performance.