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Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by cwyers »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #6

> For the Edge browser Microsoft has again decided to develop their own rendering engine, instead of relying on open source alternatives (Blink, Gecko, WebKit). I have to doubt their decision as a browser engine is a big development effort and they need to be updating it from now to eternity. Um, why would they move when they already have an engine? Sure you can argue they should have moved to WebKit or Gecko or even…

I thought the complaining that Microsoft wasn't using WebKit to be hilarious in light of Google's forking WebKit -- if Google and Apple couldn't collaborate on WebKit development, there's no reason to suspect that Microsoft and Apple (or Microsoft and Google, in the case of Blink) would be able to collaborate any better. Meanwhile, Mozilla no longer allows embedded Gecko, and warns that doing so will mean not getting the latest security fixes:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Gecko/Embedding_Moz...

And now that Edge is close to release, we see that it already surpasses WebKit in HTML5 support:

http://html5test.com/compare/browser/chrome-43/firefox-38/ie...

On the JavaScript side of things, Edge is tied for Firefox as the leading implementer of ES6 features:

http://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/

For a long time, Microsoft made a strategic decision to ignore the web, and that hurt a lot of things. And Microsoft has privileged archaic Intranet sites over progress on the web ever since, which hasn't been great either (unless you run one of those Intranet sites). But the idea that Microsoft doesn't have the resources to maintain a browser engine is ludicrous -- they're Microsoft. And they're already ahead of one of the suggested alternatives, WebKit. (And WebKit is probably the one of the three that's least tied to a specific browser implementation, so it's the one most amenable to having been picked in place of their Trident revamp.)

Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by merb »

thekingshorses wrote: post #39
Klathmon wrote: post #7

It all depends on your workload. I'm working on a web app that uses typed arrays heavily. Chrome runs my test case in 2.7 seconds, Firefox in 3.2, and IE Edge in 23 seconds... (ie 11 in 30+) Now to be fair i developed "for" firefox, checking that it worked in IE and chrome the whole way, but that is a pretty large performance difference. Plus i've always hated benchmarks. They are so easy to "game" without real impro…

> Chrome runs my test case in 2.7 seconds, Firefox in 3.2, and IE Edge in 23 seconds... (ie 11 in 30+) I think you are doing something wrong. I have a light app and very heavy SPA (written really badly with almost 5mb of code, D3 + Highcharts). Still, both app loads in less than 4 seconds in IE 11, FF, Chrome and Safari.

you never did some ng-repeat tables with angularjs ....

I do, and the page load for a big table is stunningly way over 10s even on Chrome/FF, while immense on IE11 (never tested EDGE).

Of course a simple fix is ReactJS or natively rendering. However due that only 6 Tables are slow and they changed barely we won't fix that, yet.

Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

Klathmon wrote: post #27
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread isn't about IE in edge mode it is about the Edge browser shipping with Windows 10 (that replaces IE). IE in edge mode and the Edge browser have different performance characteristics. I'd be interested to see how your test case performs on the Edge browser.

I meant to refer to their Edge browser (the latest one on the Windows 10 preview). I guess i just have a tendency to throw IE on the front of it. (and i've also been referring to it along with the other IE versions as IE). So the 23 was Edge, and 30+ is IE11 Is the current term for it just "Edge"?

Yes, it is just "Edge." No IE.

It is confusing when you add IE because IE 11 has an edge mode (essentially their newest rendering mode). IE 11's edge mode and the Edge browser share a handful of components, but they're selling Edge as a brand new browser with a lot of cruft removed (backwards compatibility) and other improvements which IE won't ever get (11 is the last version).

Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by Gys »

Joeri wrote: post #41
Gys wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Authors explanation: 'It seems like Microsoft has been targeting their optimization effort for the competitor benchmarks in order to show impressive results for their new product. When it comes to more intensive and complex HTML5 benchmarks they are still miles behind the competition.' Reasonable explanation to me.

I think instead they worked in JavaScript performance, so in js benchmarks like sunspider and octane they do well. Meanwhile their page loading was not as optimized, so benchmarks that test loading whole pages such as peacekeeper don't perform as well.

Peacekeeper itself says they focus on js.

http://peacekeeper.futuremark.com/faq.action:

Peacekeeper measures your browser's performance by testing its JavaScript functionality. JavaScript is a widely used programming language used in the creation of modern websites to provide features such as animation, navigation, forms and other common requirements. By measuring a browser’s ability to handle commonly used JavaScript functions Peacekeeper can evaluate its performance.

Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by Klathmon »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #53
Klathmon wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant to refer to their Edge browser (the latest one on the Windows 10 preview). I guess i just have a tendency to throw IE on the front of it. (and i've also been referring to it along with the other IE versions as IE). So the 23 was Edge, and 30+ is IE11 Is the current term for it just "Edge"?

Yes, it is just "Edge." No IE. It is confusing when you add IE because IE 11 has an edge mode (essentially their newest rendering mode). IE 11's edge mode and the Edge browser share a handful of components, but they're selling Edge as a brand new browser with a lot of cruft removed (backwards compatibility) and other improvements which IE won't ever get (11 is the last version).

Awesome, I'll remember this. It still pisses me off that they named it that. It's just going to lead to a bunch of annoyance and confusion. IMO something One related would have been nicer, but I'm sure they know what they are doing.

Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?

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Post by StedeBonnet »

Trombone12 wrote: post #38
ctvo wrote: post #10

After sadly verifying Microsoft's claims, author goes on to find third party benchmarks where they'd lose to make the point he initially wanted to make.

While it is obvious that the author was hoping to discredit microsofts speed claims, the result on running the original tests was that an agreement on sign but not on magnitude (assuming the uncertainty on the MS claims is entirely in the last digit presented). The new tests don't seem particularly hand picked given that the are among the top results I get when I google for "Browser speed test", arguably a sign that…

Looking around the site and other pieces written by the same nick, I find it unfair to label him as "Microsoft hostile". After all, he has written a quite favorable review of a cheapo 7" Windows 8.1 tablet.

http://cd-rw.org/t/hands-on-with-the-affordable-linx-7-lamin...

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