the only browser choices these days seem to be either from unethical corporations or unethical open source non-profits. anyone know where to turn to get a decent browser with no ads or unethical corporations involved ?
Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
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Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#22It all depends on your workload. I'm working on a web app that uses typed arrays heavily. Chrome runs my test case in 2.7 seconds, Firefox in 3.2, and IE Edge in 23 seconds... (ie 11 in 30+) Now to be fair i developed "for" firefox, checking that it worked in IE and chrome the whole way, but that is a pretty large performance difference. Plus i've always hated benchmarks. They are so easy to "game" without real impro…
This thread isn't about IE in edge mode it is about the Edge browser shipping with Windows 10 (that replaces IE). IE in edge mode and the Edge browser have different performance characteristics.
I'd be interested to see how your test case performs on the Edge browser.
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#23It all depends on your workload. I'm working on a web app that uses typed arrays heavily. Chrome runs my test case in 2.7 seconds, Firefox in 3.2, and IE Edge in 23 seconds... (ie 11 in 30+) Now to be fair i developed "for" firefox, checking that it worked in IE and chrome the whole way, but that is a pretty large performance difference. Plus i've always hated benchmarks. They are so easy to "game" without real impro…
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Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I posted on another comment, the TL;DR is more like this: "Well these tests don't meet my expectations so lets keep testing using other benchmarks until I'm validated".
His conclusion stands, he's got 1/2 of the claimed perf gains from the using the benchmarks the Edge Team advertised, but when tested against other Independent benchmarks Edge's performance falls dramatically short, making it reasonable to deduce Edge is optimized around the benchmarks the PR team is advertising.
It's unclear how these additional tests were selected. If the criterium was to find a benchmark where Chrome performs better, then you can't conclude much from this.
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#25>I have to doubt their decision as a browser engine is a big development effort and they need to be updating it from now to eternity.
I have to doubt his judgement. Microsoft is a huge software companie, the biggest in the world. Much more than Apple or Google.
Not only they can do that, but they also need to be in control of their stack.
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#26Issue #1: performance claims based on tests from one device configuration. The best performance data is gathered from as many sources as possible. In the spectrum of statistics, one data point is not enough. Issue #2: "Personally I have found the Peacekeeper results to be a reliable measurement of web browsers performance." Is there data to back up this claim?
I doubt Peacekeeper is representative of real Web pages. It primarily benchmarks things that are easy to measure. Peacekeeper also has several bugs:
* It accidentally benchmarks setTimeout clamping. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=610077 is a dependency of peacekeeper. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=608648 is an example in which setTimeout clamping affects the score a lot.
* Its benchmark of array.splice() is extremely strange: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=592786
* Its layout benchmarks do not really stress layout and instead either stress basic painting operations or DOM accessors. Most pages do not sit there calling style.top in a loop over and over.
* It sets MozTransform only in Firefox without setting values in Chrome: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=920659
And so on.
There is no reason to think that Peacekeeper's JS benchmarks are particularly better than V8's; in fact, they're probably worse, due to the proliferation of microbenchmarks. You'd get about the same effect by going to jsperf.com and clicking around.
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#27It all depends on your workload. I'm working on a web app that uses typed arrays heavily. Chrome runs my test case in 2.7 seconds, Firefox in 3.2, and IE Edge in 23 seconds... (ie 11 in 30+) Now to be fair i developed "for" firefox, checking that it worked in IE and chrome the whole way, but that is a pretty large performance difference. Plus i've always hated benchmarks. They are so easy to "game" without real impro…
This thread isn't about IE in edge mode it is about the Edge browser shipping with Windows 10 (that replaces IE). IE in edge mode and the Edge browser have different performance characteristics. I'd be interested to see how your test case performs on the Edge browser.
I meant to refer to their Edge browser (the latest one on the Windows 10 preview).
I guess i just have a tendency to throw IE on the front of it. (and i've also been referring to it along with the other IE versions as IE).
So the 23 was Edge, and 30+ is IE11 Is the current term for it just "Edge"?
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#28First thing I thought was the law of headlines
Except in this case the answer is somewhere between "yes" and "sometimes"
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#29Betteridge's law of headlines hehe
Re: Is Microsoft’s Edge browser really faster than Google’s Chrome?
#30Not sure what the point of this is. Microsoft never argued that Edge is faster than Chrome at everything. They specifically said it was faster for certain benchmarks. But the author is upset because it isn't faster for the specific benchmarks he prefers. If it's slower at Peacekeeper does that specifically mean that the browser is now slow ? And then weirdly Mint/Linux comes into the argument as though it has any rel…
Why so negative?
The post 1st validates Microsoft claims whether they hold. His tests show that Edge is faster on SunSpider/Octane, but not by the margin that Microsoft suggested. The article also points out that old HW is used as the test bench and that HW will make a difference.
Then the article expands the scope to other benchmarks, and there is a (subjective opinion) that Peacekeepers results hold in real world.
I can't see where the author is upset. Rather I see a typical geek hobbyist experiment and the results posted to a FORUM community - not to a professional or scientific publication.