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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#221

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

I got problems this week with mailing lists routed through apache servers & for which I had filters created, etc. And this happens not only for mailing lists

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#222

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

He said it mostly affected mailing list messages. His subscriptions come from a single server, so random spam classification of messages in the middle of some thread doesn't really make sense. Not as a sending-server issue anyway.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Were they set up initially, or after you noticed problems? I wonder if prior messages routed to the spam folder that people haven't marked as non-spam count against you for a certain prior period.

I added them after I noticed problems really. Postfix and Dovecot have somewhat of a learning curve (I started up and trashed a few VM's before I got it right). I ended up using IRedMail, the defaults are pretty much Gmail ready. I don't know about prior messages counting against you, given what I've seen it seems to makes sense. Without insider info we can only speculate.

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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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I run my own mail server with full SPF, DKIM and SRS, routing the mail through a relay at a reputable VPS provider on high-reputation IPs. Over the last few months, there seems to be this pattern where if I email someone @gmail who I've never mailed before, they don't seem to ever get it. I wonder if this is the issue.

Feel free to send me an email, and I'll let you know if it arrives in my gmail spam folder.

I sent you an e-mail.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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I'm not sure how you go from: Unless you have Google Apps for Business (or whatever), there are no vanity domains for gmail; to: email is a broken system? Gmail.com is certainly broken in the sense that they want to cram 10 billion users into a single domain. It's ridiculous marketing/brand-motivated UX failure. Since forever most mail services had a few vanity-domains, so people could get first.last@wherever.com. Bu…

I dont believe I said anything about vanity domains, so I dont know what you mean by that. I meant that email is broken in the sense that when some stranger mistakenly thinks that your email belongs to them, and continues to give it out or sign it up for mailing lists, you have absolutely no recourse. If you have an email address that like mine is easily mistaken for other ones you get incorrectly-addressed personal…

> so I dont know what you mean by that.

I believe he means that if tizz.dogg@gmail.com was already taken, Google should offer tizz.dogg@loopyloop.com rather than tizz.dogg1@gmail.com. In fact they shouldn't even show that as an option.

Since Google Is now a domain registrar they could create the new domains on the fly.

Then there wouldn't be namespace collisions.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#226
I could concur on the false positives -- I've had to repeatedly salvage mailing list posts marked as spam. Normally from the mailing lists where I lurk and do not actively contribute, but still...

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#227

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

I agree completely. Wasn't there a thread here a just few days ago discussing Gmail consistently marking personal mail servers as spam? EDIT: Found it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9855030

Even if said personal servers have DKIM and SPF set up? (Just thinking out loud here, I don't have data either way)

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#228
lot of variables when it comes with spam detectio ... I guess google has oversimplified some controls, and lot of private server with good reputation are closed outside.

In our company , ( we are a hosting email solution ) lot of time and human resources are spent to monitor and work with the work produced by the spam filters. I guess it is too soon for this kind of solution to be sostituite with AI.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#229

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I had exactly the same setup, but I had to create 10 fake Gmail accounts, add the email address to the address book and flag several emails as "not spam" before it was useable. Google Mail just ignores the fact that there are private people who want to have their own mail server to be independent from Gmail.

Not "ignoring", more "actively penalizing"…

I'm actually inclined to agree. Google is just so hungry, they want two things: 1. your data; 2. try to take over the Internet. Bah.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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I wrote a daemon that monitors a mailbox that users can submit spam to, for spam that makes it through the other filtering layers. The daemon finds the original message in the user's mail directory, reads the headers, tracks down the originating network using whois, and then blackholes the network and emails me a notification about it. Some networks are whitelisted for practical purposes. Google's one of them. If nec…

While we're waiting for Monday, here are some subjects of spam emails I've received from Gmail's SMTP servers recently. Mentions of my domains replaced by example.com: Example.com SEO Issues Tough Times With Example.com? Needs Attention!!? Get ranked higher: Example.com Google optimization for Example.com Get ranked higher : example.com Website Audit Report to increase website traffic Example.com - audit report now a…

What a coincidence, that's Google's core business!
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