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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by tempestn » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:22 AM UTC

billconan wrote: post #21

very funny, right after I saw this, I decided to check my spam folder just to see if anything important has been filtered out, and I saw an email sent by google marked as a spam: this email is sent by google when logging in google account from a new machine. they tag their own email as spam ... Hi xxx, Your Google Account xxx@gmail.com was just used to sign in from Chrome on Windows. Don't recognize this activity? Re…

Another great one is when you're having a conversation with someone, and after several back and forth emails, the next one goes to spam. Sent from the same device, same headers, etc. Presumably it triggered some keywords. But I mean, come on! Obviously if I've replied to this person four times in a row, their fifth email is not spam.

I realize that everything takes time to implement, and developer time is not infinite, but this one seems like pretty low-hanging fruit.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#182

Post by Animats » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:38 AM UTC

Someone pointed out last week that signing up for the Google AppStore seemed to unblock their email.

Maybe Google is doing this on purpose to apply pain to people without Google accounts.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#183

Post by joezydeco » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:40 AM UTC

I've been fighting this for months. I run a simple mail forwarder for our local school PTA (so that president@pta gets to whomever is the current president, etc).

I've enabled every possible thing to make it work (DKIM, SPF, who the hell knows) and mails forwarded to my members with gmail (or Google domain hosted) accounts are always getting the forwarded email in their spam folders.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by afarrell » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:47 AM UTC

Zancarius wrote: post #62

notahacker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least their filters are as impartial as they're inaccurate and overly aggressive...

I wonder how that'd work in an anti-trust case? "Your honor, clearly you can see that our services are so impartial as to flag our own email ..." Something tells me that probably wouldn't work.

If yahoo sued them? I don't see why it wouldn't. It may not convince an expert witness, but why wouldn't it convince a jury?

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#185

Post by lancewiggs » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:52 AM UTC

So it seems this is clearly happening. The question is what to do about it?

1: Switch from gmail. (I've done this - using Fastmail) 2: Increase publicity to drive Google to change 3: It's arguably abuse of monopoly power --> take it to court

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by rsync » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:54 AM UTC

Why would Linus be using gmail ?

This is an individual who, in response to broken version control systems wrote his own version control system which he uses, primarily, to control versions of the operating system kernel that he wrote.

How is it possible that the above described person is moving his wrist around going clickity-click with a mouse just to read an email ?

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#187

Post by ectoplasm » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:58 AM UTC

rsync wrote: post #186

Why would Linus be using gmail ? This is an individual who, in response to broken version control systems wrote his own version control system which he uses, primarily, to control versions of the operating system kernel that he wrote . How is it possible that the above described person is moving his wrist around going clickity-click with a mouse just to read an email ?

IMAP presumably. That's what I do, at least.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#188

Post by willcodeforfoo » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:58 AM UTC

rsync wrote: post #186

Why would Linus be using gmail ? This is an individual who, in response to broken version control systems wrote his own version control system which he uses, primarily, to control versions of the operating system kernel that he wrote . How is it possible that the above described person is moving his wrist around going clickity-click with a mouse just to read an email ?

Gmail actually has pretty good keyboard shortcuts...

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#189

Post by netheril96 » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 3:58 AM UTC

tortilla wrote: post #70

Wow, just checked my spam folder and there was an important email marked as spam by Gmail. It was from a known contact I had already corresponded with.

Every spam filter has false positive. You should make a habit of checking Spam folder periodically, whatever email services you employ (unless you do not enable spam filtering).

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by rsync » Sat, Jul 18, 2015, 4:04 AM UTC

willcodeforfoo wrote: post #188

rsync wrote: post #186

Why would Linus be using gmail ? This is an individual who, in response to broken version control systems wrote his own version control system which he uses, primarily, to control versions of the operating system kernel that he wrote . How is it possible that the above described person is moving his wrist around going clickity-click with a mouse just to read an email ?

Gmail actually has pretty good keyboard shortcuts...

Even if gmail keyboard shortcuts were anywhere near as good or fast as alpine (they aren't) you still have big bloated responsive AJAX/js pages loading for every single action.

With alpine over ssh I can use email on a bad 2G cellular connection with no hassle at all while google won't even load the inbox.