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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by someguy1233 »

Checked all my spam boxes on my various gmail accounts, seems nothing bad has happened with mine.

At least they're nowhere near as bad as Outlook. I have one of my domains on their free Live Domains (grandfathered plan, can't get it for free anymore, similar to google apps) - and 90% of my emails end up in spam, even if they're from a reputable company with sane mail setups such as Digital Ocean, Github or even Google.

To make it worse, with Outlook you can't turn off the spam filter, and it's known that Microsoft sometimes SILENTLY drops emails for various reasons so they never even make it to your spam box...

Sadly I've yet to find any decent replacement mail service for my domains that's free (or very cheap) and of decent quality.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#122

Post by saurik »

dasil003 wrote: post #111
serve_yay wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why you think that makes this acceptable.

I don't understand why you think I think that makes this acceptable.

The way you worded the sentence is classically used to indicate "well, this is an anomoly, because he is not a normal user, and is maybe even doing something absolutely abnormal, making this a trade off between the needs of the many vs the needs of the few, one he can easily bypass by doing something different inside his niche"; it took me reading a few of your later replies before I felt you were just providing an explanation for how Google's math could be flawed, as opposed to providing an explanation for why this might be an acceptable casualty.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#123

Post by thaumaturgy »

justwannasing wrote: post #96
thaumaturgy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hilarious -- or maybe really sickening -- thing is that Gmail itself has also become a much larger source of spam than it used to be. Those of us that are running mail servers are really not loving Google at the moment.

Haven't a clue what you mean. I run several mail servers and have no issues whatsoever with GMail. And I run through all the spam filtering, too, and only recall one that was inadvertently marked as spam but, iirc, the mailer was the problem.

I wrote a daemon that monitors a mailbox that users can submit spam to, for spam that makes it through the other filtering layers. The daemon finds the original message in the user's mail directory, reads the headers, tracks down the originating network using whois, and then blackholes the network and emails me a notification about it.

Some networks are whitelisted for practical purposes. Google's one of them.

If necessary, I could provide a list of the subject lines of the emails that have been reported. A YC company, Zenefits, is one offender that comes immediately to mind.

But not until Monday. I'm going camping.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#124

Post by chc »

danieltillett wrote: post #85
noir_lord wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I use Google Apps for Business for email (that and I find running mail servers tedious) as deliverability is consistently simpler.

The problem with this apart from the cost is that all the other big email servers are more likely to mark your email as spam if it comes out of google apps :(

Do you actually mean Google Apps (i.e. Gmail) or are you thinking of Google App Engine? Because I don't think most other providers particularly distrust Gmail.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#125

Post by click170 »

barrkel wrote: post #65

Mailing lists are a massive source of false positives for spam. I've pretty much given up on trying to use gmail to subscribe to them.

Subscribing to high volume mailing lists from gmail is something I would actually advise against.

I had legitimate emails bouncing because the mailing list had put me over the maximum number of emails that a free Google account can recieve in a day. I didn't even know there was such a limit until I hit it.

I now run my own mail server and have none of these or the other problems outlined here.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by glass- »

justwannasing wrote: post #96
thaumaturgy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hilarious -- or maybe really sickening -- thing is that Gmail itself has also become a much larger source of spam than it used to be. Those of us that are running mail servers are really not loving Google at the moment.

Haven't a clue what you mean. I run several mail servers and have no issues whatsoever with GMail. And I run through all the spam filtering, too, and only recall one that was inadvertently marked as spam but, iirc, the mailer was the problem.

I see spam from gmail all the time, and for about the last year they wouldn't accept reports from SpamCop (that changed a couple of weeks ago).

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#127

Post by glass- »

chbrown wrote: post #47

I'm kind of surprised that Linus uses Gmail. It's likely that he'll actually catch a Googler's attention, but for many of us, user feedback is not an option. @jacquesm's http://jacquesmattheij.com/ham-or-spam-gmail-not-to-be-trust... is another recent instance — but again, there's no call to action. Gmail is great for some people, but I prefer having more control, and I highly recommend https://FastMail.com if Gmail…

+1 for Fastmail. I really enjoy spam filtering based on personal bayes rather than a global database.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#129

Post by CamperBob2 »

troymc wrote: post #30
guelo wrote: post #16

I fear SMTP is going to go the way of RSS at the hands of these giant corps. Closed protocols within machine gun lined walled gardens are the future. Sorry old idealistic computer hipies, we've failed you.

What does this have to do with SMTP?

SMTP is the only mainstream mail protocol that leaves the end user in control. That must bug companies like Google something fierce.

I still run Outlook 2010 with Paul Graham's SpamBayes plugin. It's far from perfect -- a whitelist would sure be nice, and how hard can it be to automatically refrain from marking anything as spam if I've emailed that sender before? -- but the fact that I can train it myself and adjust its classification parameters covers a multitude of sins.

I've resisted a lot of peer pressure to use server-side email over the years, both commercial and FOSS. I fully expect to be using SpamBayes in 10 years, probably with a wheezing, clunking copy of Outlook in a VM.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

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Post by a3n »

urda wrote: post #48
thaumaturgy wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hilarious -- or maybe really sickening -- thing is that Gmail itself has also become a much larger source of spam than it used to be. Those of us that are running mail servers are really not loving Google at the moment.

It's what happens when you can control such a large portion of a resource. Just imagine, Google can at any moment blacklist just about anyone. Most websites and companies they can do nothing to stop it. It's a tad terrifying.

I can see where it would be in Google's interest for people to throw up their hands and decide running their own is just not worth it.
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