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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#81
"Check your spam folder" is now a default instruction for automated email notifications.

Luckily it's pretty easy to scan the folder for valuable messages.

However, having to do that is clearly not ideal.

Had a wedding RSVP get flagged as spam.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#83
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't blame them when the Unsubscribe link is buried at the bottom of a 8MB marketing newsletter in 4px font.

Or when you need to log in again to unsubscribe

Which is illegal in the US[1] (and I believe EU, as well), and hence deserves to be reported as spam.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4496688

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#84
post #44
post #15

I've had a problem with false positives in my spam folder for months. A large percentage of the email newsletters I subscribe to end up in my spam folder every day, and clicking Notspam doesn't help. I can Notspam a certain newsletter every day for a week, and then the next day that same newsletter will end up in my Spam folder once again. I'm starting to think that Notspam signals have no effect at an individual lev…

You can set up a filter to never mark the matching items a spam. That's what I do for the Lua Mailing list.

Sure, but I shouldn't have to do that. (That's a criticism of Google, not your good advice.)

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#85
post #2

I run my own mail server with full SPF, DKIM and SRS, routing the mail through a relay at a reputable VPS provider on high-reputation IPs. Over the last few months, there seems to be this pattern where if I email someone @gmail who I've never mailed before, they don't seem to ever get it. I wonder if this is the issue.

This is one of the reasons I use Google Apps for Business for email (that and I find running mail servers tedious) as deliverability is consistently simpler.

The problem with this apart from the cost is that all the other big email servers are more likely to mark your email as spam if it comes out of google apps :(

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#86
post #44
post #15

I've had a problem with false positives in my spam folder for months. A large percentage of the email newsletters I subscribe to end up in my spam folder every day, and clicking Notspam doesn't help. I can Notspam a certain newsletter every day for a week, and then the next day that same newsletter will end up in my Spam folder once again. I'm starting to think that Notspam signals have no effect at an individual lev…

You can set up a filter to never mark the matching items a spam. That's what I do for the Lua Mailing list.

Come to think of it, if they're going to have a "Never send it to Spam" flag in filter config, shouldn't it default to TRUE? If you're taking the trouble to set up a filter, it's probably because you are interested in those messages.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#87
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And the moment someone accidentally clicks the SPAM button you'll find yourself with weeks of pain on a low volume mail server. Because, as an individual, you won't qualify for their FBL service and "mysteriously" you'll have weeks of everyone saying you end up in their spam folder.

The Gmail team recently launched[0] PostMaster tools[1]. I'm not sure if everyone has access, but maybe it would help? [0] http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-mail-you-want-not-... [1] https://postmaster.google.com/

You have to be a high volume sender with a good reputation (low spam reports) to get access to these tools.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#88
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the reasons I use Google Apps for Business for email (that and I find running mail servers tedious) as deliverability is consistently simpler.

Having to use a Google product instead of your own mail server, in order to have your email delivered to Google customers, sounds like anti-competitive business practices to me. You'd think they'd be a wee bit more careful with something like that given EU interest in them...

It also isn't enough. Some of our gmail users' email (sent through the gmail smtp server with oauth) will be marked as spam in gmail. Very frustrating!

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#89
All I see in my spam folder is people trying to sell me sex, drugs, credit, and fake Ray-Ban sunglasses. A quick review of 200 spam messages found one false positive from a whitewater rafting company.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#90
I am subscribed to the wine-devel, wine-bugs and wine-patches mailing lists (https://www.winehq.org/forums). Having the exact same issue.

It seems to very easily flag discussion about .exes as spam, it's really disappointing. It's been several years and the filters haven't improved, despite me religiously flagging spam/not spam in those lists.

In the end I just gave up and set up filters to specifically prevent marking incoming emails on those lists as spam. It misses the odd linkedin invitation, but it's not like it was catching it before...

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